Comments on: Sympathy For The Devil… Er, I Mean Laman http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:18:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Steve EM http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-751 Steve EM Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:49:32 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-751 Well Rusty, as Jesus said "Except you become as this little child......." Well Rusty, as Jesus said “Except you become as this little child…….”

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-750 Bret Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:43:30 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-750 Ben, Thank you. I'm not sure I remember him at all. Rusty, Holy cow! Did I hit a nerve somewhere? Cool your jets, bro. First of all, I'm sorry for the bad spelling. I don't know how to spell check in this comment box. Secondly, if I missed the point of this post so badly, (you missed the point of my second comment) then I don't understand why you made the points you did. All I was trying to do is point out some things you may have missed in your study. Thirdly, you may be just a little worked up over this to start calling a prophet of God "self righteous." That's dangerous territory if you ask me. Fourthly, My comment about the font on "your" plates was just playful banter off of what you said you thought Nephi might write about you. (referring to you being a graphic arts major) No need to cuss me out over it. Gee, maybe I have a harder time seeing L&L point of view because MY older brother sometimes sounds like them!:) Ben,
Thank you. I’m not sure I remember him at all.

Rusty,
Holy cow! Did I hit a nerve somewhere? Cool your jets, bro.
First of all, I’m sorry for the bad spelling. I don’t know how to spell check in this comment box.
Secondly, if I missed the point of this post so badly, (you missed the point of my second comment) then I don’t understand why you made the points you did. All I was trying to do is point out some things you may have missed in your study.
Thirdly, you may be just a little worked up over this to start calling a prophet of God “self righteous.” That’s dangerous territory if you ask me.
Fourthly,
My comment about the font on “your” plates was just playful banter off of what you said you thought Nephi might write about you. (referring to you being a graphic arts major) No need to cuss me out over it.
Gee, maybe I have a harder time seeing L&L point of view because MY older brother sometimes sounds like them!:)

]]> By: Ben S. http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-749 Ben S. Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:26:47 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-749 Bret: There is another prophet we know about, Uriah. He was threatened with death, fled to Egypt, brought back, and killed by the king. See Jeremiah 26:20-24. http://scriptures.lds.org/jer/26#20 Bret: There is another prophet we know about, Uriah. He was threatened with death, fled to Egypt, brought back, and killed by the king.

See Jeremiah 26:20-24.
http://scriptures.lds.org/jer/26#20

]]> By: Rusty http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-748 Rusty Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:38:17 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-748 Bret, First of all, try spell/grammar check before you hit post, I could barely get through your comment. Secondly, you've completely missed the point of this post. I know L&L were bad kids, they didn't have much faith, they had a lot of need to repent. But you know what, so do I. Sure we can say, "Well, at least I'm not THAT bad..." but that's bullcrap. We've all fallen short, we're all in need of the Savior. What, is it okay for us to lack compassion for those making bad decisions because our own decisions aren't THAT bad? Thirdly, what's WRONG with having sympathy for the bad guys? Are you suggesting sympathy for one side and faith inspiring from the other side are mutually exclusive? And am I now going to go out and smoke because I had sympathy for a smoker? I guess if I keep looking through the lense of the self-righteous Nephi maybe some day I can tell everyone how righteous I am and how everyone around me needs to repent. Fourthly, I don't know what the h you're talking about with the font and the plates thing. That has nothing to do with anything we're talking about on this thread. If this is a separate beef you have with my opinions, write a post about it, but it's superfluous to this convesation. Steve EM, Are you five? Bret,
First of all, try spell/grammar check before you hit post, I could barely get through your comment.

Secondly, you’ve completely missed the point of this post. I know L&L were bad kids, they didn’t have much faith, they had a lot of need to repent. But you know what, so do I. Sure we can say, “Well, at least I’m not THAT bad…” but that’s bullcrap. We’ve all fallen short, we’re all in need of the Savior. What, is it okay for us to lack compassion for those making bad decisions because our own decisions aren’t THAT bad?

Thirdly, what’s WRONG with having sympathy for the bad guys? Are you suggesting sympathy for one side and faith inspiring from the other side are mutually exclusive? And am I now going to go out and smoke because I had sympathy for a smoker? I guess if I keep looking through the lense of the self-righteous Nephi maybe some day I can tell everyone how righteous I am and how everyone around me needs to repent.

Fourthly, I don’t know what the h you’re talking about with the font and the plates thing. That has nothing to do with anything we’re talking about on this thread. If this is a separate beef you have with my opinions, write a post about it, but it’s superfluous to this convesation.

Steve EM,
Are you five?

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-747 Bret Sun, 14 Aug 2005 06:33:42 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-747 By the way, what is the objective of having sympathy for the bad guys? Is it to just help find a different perspective? To help see how you look in their place (I think it's fine to seeif you have any of the same traits, maybe)? To find more compassion for the sinner? A combo fo those? By the way, what is the objective of having sympathy for the bad guys? Is it to just help find a different perspective? To help see how you look in their place (I think it’s fine to seeif you have any of the same traits, maybe)? To find more compassion for the sinner? A combo fo those?

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-746 Bret Sun, 14 Aug 2005 06:30:37 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-746 Your overall idea isn't bad but like Lyle pointed out, there are some problems. 1)Nephi said his "heart was soften" clearly showing he needed heart softening. 2)Lehi was one of three prophets (not including Daniel whowas a kid at that time) that we know of preahing the destruction of Jerusalem at that time. Jeremiah got put in prison and Ezekial was already in Babylon, so maybe Lehi was "the" prophet" for a while. Maybe there were more. Anyway, the system was a bit different in the OT with the law of Moses and only a few Melchizedek holders (that is, the prophets). 3) L&L DID have physical trials later on and they NEVER cried unto the Lord for help. Why should we beleive they were any different in Jerusalem? Anyway, this was just before the THIRD siege on Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. They were already being ruled by Babylon but decided to rebel a second time till their temple was utterly wasted and everyone was taken over there. So yeah, they were in a pretty bad spot before that. Only the most hard hearted (which must have been the majority of the people in the city at that time) would still believe God was on their side and would help them in their fight. Ya know what? It's actually like pretending New York isn't going to be destroyed by an earthquake as Wilford Woodruff predicted and continuing to live there>8p Anyway, so yeah. Nephi probebly did some embellishing in his writing (when you try to get a point across do you digress, on gold plates no less, and say "But there were some times when they were good guys and such and such.") but the stories are still pretty clear. Oh, and Nephi would probebly wonder why you made such an effort to worry about what font was in your plates and how pretty the document looked instead of what kind of messege you were trying to get across. Your overall idea isn’t bad but like Lyle pointed out, there are some problems.
1)Nephi said his “heart was soften” clearly showing he needed heart softening.
2)Lehi was one of three prophets (not including Daniel whowas a kid at that time) that we know of preahing the destruction of Jerusalem at that time. Jeremiah got put in prison and Ezekial was already in Babylon, so maybe Lehi was “the” prophet” for a while. Maybe there were more. Anyway, the system was a bit different in the OT with the law of Moses and only a few Melchizedek holders (that is, the prophets).
3) L&L DID have physical trials later on and they NEVER cried unto the Lord for help. Why should we beleive they were any different in Jerusalem? Anyway, this was just before the THIRD siege on Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. They were already being ruled by Babylon but decided to rebel a second time till their temple was utterly wasted and everyone was taken over there. So yeah, they were in a pretty bad spot before that. Only the most hard hearted (which must have been the majority of the people in the city at that time) would still believe God was on their side and would help them in their fight.
Ya know what? It’s actually like pretending New York isn’t going to be destroyed by an earthquake as Wilford Woodruff predicted and continuing to live there>8p
Anyway, so yeah. Nephi probebly did some embellishing in his writing (when you try to get a point across do you digress, on gold plates no less, and say “But there were some times when they were good guys and such and such.”) but the stories are still pretty clear.
Oh, and Nephi would probebly wonder why you made such an effort to worry about what font was in your plates and how pretty the document looked instead of what kind of messege you were trying to get across.

]]> By: Steve EM http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-745 Steve EM Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:38:55 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-745 "I'm waiting for someone to make a movie about the war in heaven told sympathetically from Satan's point of view." Well prudie Aaron Brown, ever hear of "The Matrix"? Great flicks, covers all sides, including viewpoints of HM and the Devil. Yeah, they're rated R, but so is "The Passion of the Christ". “I’m waiting for someone to make a movie about the war in heaven told sympathetically from Satan’s point of view.”

Well prudie Aaron Brown, ever hear of “The Matrix”? Great flicks, covers all sides, including viewpoints of HM and the Devil. Yeah, they’re rated R, but so is “The Passion of the Christ”.

]]> By: Mark Hansen http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-744 Mark Hansen Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:58:52 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-744 Well, and Nephi had some serious communication problems. I mean, he gets frustrated with his brother's unrighteousness, and he gets his up on a soapbox. No wonders they got mad at him. But to Nephi's credit, he might not have really known how to show his love and frustration for them, but I really get a sense from his account that he felt for them. MRKH Well, and Nephi had some serious communication problems. I mean, he gets frustrated with his brother’s unrighteousness, and he gets his up on a soapbox. No wonders they got mad at him.

But to Nephi’s credit, he might not have really known how to show his love and frustration for them, but I really get a sense from his account that he felt for them.

MRKH

]]> By: kristen j http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-743 kristen j Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:29:32 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-743 I grew up thinking Nephi was so fabulous and thinking that L&L were such shmucks, but the older I get the more I can sympathize with L&L. Nephi was probably a hard standard to live up to. I don't feel that it's wrong though. Hopefully as we get older we learn to have compassion, charity, and forgiveness for everyone. Jesus Christ didn't love L&L and less, He just wan't handing them the keys to the kingdom any time soon. I grew up thinking Nephi was so fabulous and thinking that L&L were such shmucks, but the older I get the more I can sympathize with L&L. Nephi was probably a hard standard to live up to.

I don’t feel that it’s wrong though. Hopefully as we get older we learn to have compassion, charity, and forgiveness for everyone.

Jesus Christ didn’t love L&L and less, He just wan’t handing them the keys to the kingdom any time soon.

]]> By: Jack http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/08/12/sympathy-for-the-devil-er-i-mean-laman/#comment-742 Jack Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:26:29 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=145#comment-742 Prudence, That's hilarious. Of course, in Laman's case there is a little room for sympathy as he repeatedly fell from some level of grace into rebellion--which would imply that he was actually trying, on ocassion, to do good--which effort, on at least one ocassion, caused Nephi to have great hopes for him. Prudence,

That’s hilarious.

Of course, in Laman’s case there is a little room for sympathy as he repeatedly fell from some level of grace into rebellion–which would imply that he was actually trying, on ocassion, to do good–which effort, on at least one ocassion, caused Nephi to have great hopes for him.

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