Comments on: Why Don’t Church Members Uphold Some Abortion Laws? http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:54:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: me http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2175 me Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16:26 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2175 Bryce, I'm now overly curious as to what bitter experiences you've had. If you don't feel inclinded to share, I completely understand (especially as this is a rather public bog site and all). But I would be interested if you felt comfortable. Bryce,
I’m now overly curious as to what bitter experiences you’ve had. If you don’t feel inclinded to share, I completely understand (especially as this is a rather public bog site and all). But I would be interested if you felt comfortable.

]]> By: Bryce http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2174 Bryce Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:18:41 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2174 No I didnt assume you did, just stating for the record. No I didnt assume you did, just stating for the record.

]]> By: me http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2173 me Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:28:28 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2173 Bryce, I was not trying to assume you didn't know what you were talking about. I'm sorry if you read my inquires that way, it was not intended. Bryce,
I was not trying to assume you didn’t know what you were talking about. I’m sorry if you read my inquires that way, it was not intended.

]]> By: me http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2172 me Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:27:13 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2172 A random John, I knew someone who was on the other side of what Rusty's brought up. He was pro-choice and his logic was that the people could not really enforce when or not an abortion could be preformed. How would it be proven it was rape and not just the women forgetting to take her birthcontrol? Since he thought that the church's policy could not be enforced properly, it shouldn't be enforced at all. Rusty has brought up people who basically think the same thing, but choose to defend the other side. So, I don't know. This is why this subject is constantly debated, even within the church. A random John,
I knew someone who was on the other side of what Rusty’s brought up. He was pro-choice and his logic was that the people could not really enforce when or not an abortion could be preformed. How would it be proven it was rape and not just the women forgetting to take her birthcontrol? Since he thought that the church’s policy could not be enforced properly, it shouldn’t be enforced at all. Rusty has brought up people who basically think the same thing, but choose to defend the other side. So, I don’t know. This is why this subject is constantly debated, even within the church.

]]> By: a random John http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2171 a random John Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:51:06 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2171 me, How do you square this with the moderately pro-choice policy of the Church for its members that Rusty has brought up? me,

How do you square this with the moderately pro-choice policy of the Church for its members that Rusty has brought up?

]]> By: Bryce http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2170 Bryce Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:18:45 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2170 Yes, you are right. I am bitter for the most part, and in most my posts on here I am the voice of the bitterly oppressed and/or pissed off member of the church who hasnt had some(well a lot) very goodly and "church-like" things happen to 'em. I've had more expirence than I care to recall of things in the church members have been astonished to hear happen. Yet, it continues more and more as time passes and not just to me, but to a suprising number of members just like me. Now dont get me wrong, every member I have EVER talked to about these things has been sympathetic on an individual bassis, but as a mass, things still(and probably will) stay the same. I'd just like to(in my posts) express a different opinon of a member who has seen the church from an "ugly" side and to give my two cents standing from this side of the fence. Dont get me wrong, I have my testimony and have a great knowlege of who christ is for me and what his gosple means to me. I've just seen this church and its members do things that have lead me to the where I am today, and its a large and ignorant assumtion to make that I dont know what I am talking about. (Thread Hijacked) Yes, you are right. I am bitter for the most part, and in most my posts on here I am the voice of the bitterly oppressed and/or pissed off member of the church who hasnt had some(well a lot) very goodly and “church-like” things happen to ‘em. I’ve had more expirence than I care to recall of things in the church members have been astonished to hear happen. Yet, it continues more and more as time passes and not just to me, but to a suprising number of members just like me.
Now dont get me wrong, every member I have EVER talked to about these things has been sympathetic on an individual bassis, but as a mass, things still(and probably will) stay the same.
I’d just like to(in my posts) express a different opinon of a member who has seen the church from an “ugly” side and to give my two cents standing from this side of the fence.
Dont get me wrong, I have my testimony and have a great knowlege of who christ is for me and what his gosple means to me. I’ve just seen this church and its members do things that have lead me to the where I am today, and its a large and ignorant assumtion to make that I dont know what I am talking about.

(Thread Hijacked)

]]> By: me http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2169 me Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:43:58 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2169 A random John, I know I'm justing butting in here (as I am an unknown user and I have just starting using this site - I find it interesting), with what you asked Don, but I was flipping through channels once and caught a BYU devotional given by Elder Oaks. He was speaking of the the "weighter matters of the law" and spoke of abortion. He basically chastised everyone who was against it personally (because of their LDS faith), but still voted pro-choice because they didn't want to impose their beliefs on everyone else. I actually got the talk from the internet. I can't remember exactly where, but if you want to know I'll look it up again and direct you. A random John,
I know I’m justing butting in here (as I am an unknown user and I have just starting using this site - I find it interesting), with what you asked Don, but I was flipping through channels once and caught a BYU devotional given by Elder Oaks. He was speaking of the the “weighter matters of the law” and spoke of abortion. He basically chastised everyone who was against it personally (because of their LDS faith), but still voted pro-choice because they didn’t want to impose their beliefs on everyone else. I actually got the talk from the internet. I can’t remember exactly where, but if you want to know I’ll look it up again and direct you.

]]> By: a random John http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2168 a random John Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:13:06 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2168 Don, Would you support a law to outlaw coffee? Why or why not? If church leaders haven't commented on how mmebers should vote on a particular law or issue is the default to vote in favor of laws that conform to the commandments? I am unaware of church leaders asking us to take this as a default position. Please correct me if I am wrong. Given the lack of prophetic directive in this situation should members assume that the Lord wants them to vote to restrict others to live the commandments as Mormons understand them? Is this the case in all countries? Don,

Would you support a law to outlaw coffee? Why or why not?

If church leaders haven’t commented on how mmebers should vote on a particular law or issue is the default to vote in favor of laws that conform to the commandments?

I am unaware of church leaders asking us to take this as a default position. Please correct me if I am wrong. Given the lack of prophetic directive in this situation should members assume that the Lord wants them to vote to restrict others to live the commandments as Mormons understand them? Is this the case in all countries?

]]> By: me http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2167 me Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:55:08 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2167 All these comments are interesting, along with this subject (as well as touchy). It is important to remember that the church teaches us the rule Not the exception-which in this case would be to get an abortion because of rape, etc. and with the proper counseling and authority. Since this (the rule)is what is generally taught, it's almost unavoidable that some of the LDS faith would think that the 'rule' is the only right way. Through these readings I sense a lot of bitterness and seemingly from bad experiences. Bryce, you seem particularly bitter. You seem to give off the notion that you did not go on a mission or (i am too bold, I know) are gay. Bad experiences? All these comments are interesting, along with this subject (as well as touchy). It is important to remember that the church teaches us the rule Not the exception-which in this case would be to get an abortion because of rape, etc. and with the proper counseling and authority. Since this (the rule)is what is generally taught, it’s almost unavoidable that some of the LDS faith would think that the ‘rule’ is the only right way. Through these readings I sense a lot of bitterness and seemingly from bad experiences. Bryce, you seem particularly bitter. You seem to give off the notion that you did not go on a mission or (i am too bold, I know) are gay. Bad experiences?

]]> By: Steve EM http://www.nine-moons.com/2005/12/09/why-dont-church-members-uphold-some-abortion-laws/#comment-2166 Steve EM Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:58:23 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=203#comment-2166 What's the point on taking a position on U.S. abortion law, an issue removed from the democratic process long ago? What’s the point on taking a position on U.S. abortion law, an issue removed from the democratic process long ago?

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