Comments on: Marriage is for Breeders, Part I: Defining Marriage http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:50:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Rusty http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2519 Rusty Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:25:23 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2519 Thanks Ariel. It's taken care of. Thanks Ariel. It’s taken care of.

]]> By: Ariel http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2518 Ariel Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:37:52 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2518 I came back to re-read this today, and noticed the link in the trackback. Can it be removed? I came back to re-read this today, and noticed the link in the trackback. Can it be removed?

]]> By: harpingheather http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2517 harpingheather Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:25:00 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2517 >But, let me just state this: idealism is at the heart of the very worst of humanity. It's also at the heart of the very best of humanity. No progress has ever been made by people who said "Eh... that's goood enough I guess." Conversely, great wrongs, like prejudice, aren't stopped by people who don't strive to make them better. >I like who I am; there's no reason for me to want to be who you are. If we are different, that's great. Diversity is a strength, not a weakness. The drive to force me to live my life as you live your life is born of egoism and abuse of power. Nothing more. Poor Silas. He wants to share some thoughtful discussion on an important topic and right of the gate, he's accused of furthering some oppresive agenda. This is why I have all but closed my ears to leftist rhetoric. They so rarely follow their own pleas for tolerance. They sneer at Bush but then take his same "If you're not with us, you're against us" stance. Diversity is not only astrength. Diversity is also a weakness. "United we stand, divided we fall." Don't forget Nebachadnezzer's dream statue, the one with the gold head, bronze torso, and feet made of an amalagam of clay and other metals. With no iternal cohesiveness, the feet are easily smashed. >But, let me just state this: idealism is at the heart of the very worst of humanity.

It’s also at the heart of the very best of humanity. No progress has ever been made by people who said “Eh… that’s goood enough I guess.” Conversely, great wrongs, like prejudice, aren’t stopped by people who don’t strive to make them better.

>I like who I am; there’s no reason for me to want to be who you are. If we are different, that’s great. Diversity is a strength, not a weakness. The drive to force me to live my life as you live your life is born of egoism and abuse of power. Nothing more.

Poor Silas. He wants to share some thoughtful discussion on an important topic and right of the gate, he’s accused of furthering some oppresive agenda. This is why I have all but closed my ears to leftist rhetoric. They so rarely follow their own pleas for tolerance. They sneer at Bush but then take his same “If you’re not with us, you’re against us” stance.

Diversity is not only astrength. Diversity is also a weakness. “United we stand, divided we fall.” Don’t forget Nebachadnezzer’s dream statue, the one with the gold head, bronze torso, and feet made of an amalagam of clay and other metals. With no iternal cohesiveness, the feet are easily smashed.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2516 Bret Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:52:37 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2516 Silus, Oh, I see what you mean. I agree. Silus,
Oh, I see what you mean. I agree.

]]> By: Dave Walter http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2515 Dave Walter Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:57:56 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2515 D. Fletcher: I'm sure Silus wil respond appropriately to your question, but I feel compelled to jump in here because it disturbs me greatly that there are people who obvioulsy <i>do</i> regard gay marriage as merely an extension of "unnatural lust." And gay marriage isn't just a natural extension of two people's love for one another, either. It's way more complex than that. I've tried to describe gay marriage in a way that helps make it a very real, graspable social phenomenon. My thoughts are too long to post here; see <a href="http://hawaiidave.blogspot.com/2006/01/what-gay-marriage-is.html" rel="nofollow">What gay marriage is</a> if you're interested. Dave D. Fletcher: I’m sure Silus wil respond appropriately to your question, but I feel compelled to jump in here because it disturbs me greatly that there are people who obvioulsy do regard gay marriage as merely an extension of “unnatural lust.”

And gay marriage isn’t just a natural extension of two people’s love for one another, either. It’s way more complex than that.

I’ve tried to describe gay marriage in a way that helps make it a very real, graspable social phenomenon. My thoughts are too long to post here; see What gay marriage is if you’re interested.

Dave

]]> By: D. Fletcher http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2514 D. Fletcher Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:54:03 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2514 I don't find anything you wrote here particularly incendiary or difficult, but I did want to ask you a question, Silus, perhaps premature: Since you have said that marriage is the natural extension of love of two people, do you not believe that love exists between people of the same sex? Is same sex only an unnatural lust, or can there be real love there? I don’t find anything you wrote here particularly incendiary or difficult, but I did want to ask you a question, Silus, perhaps premature:

Since you have said that marriage is the natural extension of love of two people, do you not believe that love exists between people of the same sex? Is same sex only an unnatural lust, or can there be real love there?

]]> By: Timothy http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2513 Timothy Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:33:40 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2513 With all due respect, this entry is poorly organized and all-over-the-board. But, let me just state this: idealism is at the heart of the very worst of humanity. I like who I am; there's no reason for me to want to be who you are. If we are different, that's great. Diversity is a strength, not a weakness. The drive to force me to live my life as you live your life is born of egoism and abuse of power. Nothing more. With all due respect, this entry is poorly organized and all-over-the-board.

But, let me just state this: idealism is at the heart of the very worst of humanity.

I like who I am; there’s no reason for me to want to be who you are. If we are different, that’s great. Diversity is a strength, not a weakness. The drive to force me to live my life as you live your life is born of egoism and abuse of power. Nothing more.

]]> By: Silus Grok http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2512 Silus Grok Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:11:09 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2512 Bret: It would be convenient/appealing to believe that _all_ temptation is a result of biological drives coming to heads with spiritual imperatives... but at some point temptation must necessarily be the choice between two spiritual imperatives. So there you go. Bret: It would be convenient/appealing to believe that _all_ temptation is a result of biological drives coming to heads with spiritual imperatives… but at some point temptation must necessarily be the choice between two spiritual imperatives.

So there you go.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2511 Bret Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:02:40 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2511 "I don't believe that temptation and the natural man are a 1:1 fit."--I'd like to know more (maybe in a diferent post sometime?) what you mean by this. Ditto what Don said. I really like what you say there at the end about reality and the ideal, too. “I don’t believe that temptation and the natural man are a 1:1 fit.”–I’d like to know more (maybe in a diferent post sometime?) what you mean by this.
Ditto what Don said.
I really like what you say there at the end about reality and the ideal, too.

]]> By: don http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/01/20/marriage-is-for-breeders-part-i-defining-marriage/#comment-2510 don Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:43:30 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=227#comment-2510 Great intro...where's the controversy? Great intro…where’s the controversy?

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