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	<title>Comments on: Come Now, Tell the Truth, Do You Teach To Impress?</title>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4403</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"For the most part EQ classes have always generally felt like the guy read over the material during Sacrament Meeting"

I count myself lucky then. Our EQ isn't like this at all and I cannot remember the last time we had a lesson where the instructor did nothing but make everyone read from the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For the most part EQ classes have always generally felt like the guy read over the material during Sacrament Meeting&#8221;</p>
<p>I count myself lucky then. Our EQ isn&#8217;t like this at all and I cannot remember the last time we had a lesson where the instructor did nothing but make everyone read from the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4397</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife hears about the minor debates that occur in EQ and is always a bit jealous since disagreeing with someone in RS is absolutely forbidden, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife hears about the minor debates that occur in EQ and is always a bit jealous since disagreeing with someone in RS is absolutely forbidden, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4395</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that God is tempted by sin isn't really a clear issue.  I'd put it in the neutral camp.  Some think that for God to be God he has to always be making a free choice not to sin and for it to be a real choice the sin has to be a real option.  Others find this blasphemous.  

I suppose the way to characterize it is to ask whether Jesus was fully God and whether he was tempted.  If you say yes then the issue shouldn't be a big deal.

Back on topic, can I confess that PH is the only lessons I find interesting because it's the only place where a real discussion with a variety of opinions happen?  I can't recall a lesson where someone just reads the manual since my mission.  I'd take PH over SS any day of the week.  Since in SS if you have done your reading it typically (although not always) is a waste of time.  PH always seems much more practical and laid back.  i.e. it's not really about how much you know or, as you said, to impress, but how to actually do things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that God is tempted by sin isn&#8217;t really a clear issue.  I&#8217;d put it in the neutral camp.  Some think that for God to be God he has to always be making a free choice not to sin and for it to be a real choice the sin has to be a real option.  Others find this blasphemous.  </p>
<p>I suppose the way to characterize it is to ask whether Jesus was fully God and whether he was tempted.  If you say yes then the issue shouldn&#8217;t be a big deal.</p>
<p>Back on topic, can I confess that PH is the only lessons I find interesting because it&#8217;s the only place where a real discussion with a variety of opinions happen?  I can&#8217;t recall a lesson where someone just reads the manual since my mission.  I&#8217;d take PH over SS any day of the week.  Since in SS if you have done your reading it typically (although not always) is a waste of time.  PH always seems much more practical and laid back.  i.e. it&#8217;s not really about how much you know or, as you said, to impress, but how to actually do things.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4393</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 04:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much enjoy compliments after teaching a class or giving a talk.  But I like to think that receiving compliments is not my primary motivation.  Especially when teaching a class my motivation is to lead a discussion that is engaging, allows people to learn about the gospel, get to know each other, and be spiritually and intellectually stimulated so that they enjoy coming to class and are more likely to attend in the future.  This was more on my mind in m previous ward, where I was EQP and really worried about the quality of the lessons, both those that I taught and those that others were teaching.  I wanted the EQ meeting to be more appealing than being a hall dweller.  In my current ward I'm tempted to be a hall dweller, especially when somebody pops in a video tape.  I think I blogged on that here at some point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much enjoy compliments after teaching a class or giving a talk.  But I like to think that receiving compliments is not my primary motivation.  Especially when teaching a class my motivation is to lead a discussion that is engaging, allows people to learn about the gospel, get to know each other, and be spiritually and intellectually stimulated so that they enjoy coming to class and are more likely to attend in the future.  This was more on my mind in m previous ward, where I was EQP and really worried about the quality of the lessons, both those that I taught and those that others were teaching.  I wanted the EQ meeting to be more appealing than being a hall dweller.  In my current ward I&#8217;m tempted to be a hall dweller, especially when somebody pops in a video tape.  I think I blogged on that here at some point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4390</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the compliments after class. I like seeing things click.

But most of all, I must admit, I like throwing out ideas that make everyone a bit uncomfortable.

Kinda like my blogging motivation sometimes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the compliments after class. I like seeing things click.</p>
<p>But most of all, I must admit, I like throwing out ideas that make everyone a bit uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Kinda like my blogging motivation sometimes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cline</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4389</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love to teach. I do it for money (but not in the church, ha ha.) I hate sitting through a boring lesson. I HATE IT. So, I wish all teachers taught to impress. Then I'd be impressed and go home feeling good. 

There is a certain teacher in EQ who teaches a lesson once a month. I skip the first 10 minutes to avoid the overbearing guilt trip he puts the class through for not bring their manuals. (I never bring mine.) After ten minutes, I return and take my seat usually to wish that I had stayed outside to get the fresh air and see the sunshine and trees. THAT is far more spiritually uplifting than sitting in that stuffy room listening to passages being read from the manual. 

Really, these manuals are not "teacher-friendly." Unless you are a skilled teacher, what in the world can you do with these lessons. It is nothing but page and page of text. It practically calls out, "READ ME, READ ME OUT LOUD IN ELDER'S QUORUM CLASSES!!!"  I think perhaps the point in introducing this new curriculum was to get the teachers to work a little harder, go from the spirit more, in their class preparation. And that is happening, but it depends on the teachers. 

Even with the tighter controls over curriculum, there are still a few members who manage to teach false doctrine. My jaw dropped when a newly returned missionary told us that God, despite having progressed to Godhood, is still being tempted to sin. It is just that he is so perfect he nevers gives in. I thought to myself, "Goodness! If I have to suffer temptation for an eternity, I'd rather just give in to it now and put myself out of misery!!"

The theological conundrums implied by such an outlandish statement apparently were never thought through by this young man. If God suffers temptation, that means there is a power independent from and possibly greater than He. And that power would be the source of temptation: either a physically imperfect body or Satan. 

I just close my eyes and shake my head sometimes. 

I wonder how much false doctrine I have taught. Hmmmmmmmm.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love to teach. I do it for money (but not in the church, ha ha.) I hate sitting through a boring lesson. I HATE IT. So, I wish all teachers taught to impress. Then I&#8217;d be impressed and go home feeling good. </p>
<p>There is a certain teacher in EQ who teaches a lesson once a month. I skip the first 10 minutes to avoid the overbearing guilt trip he puts the class through for not bring their manuals. (I never bring mine.) After ten minutes, I return and take my seat usually to wish that I had stayed outside to get the fresh air and see the sunshine and trees. THAT is far more spiritually uplifting than sitting in that stuffy room listening to passages being read from the manual. </p>
<p>Really, these manuals are not &#8220;teacher-friendly.&#8221; Unless you are a skilled teacher, what in the world can you do with these lessons. It is nothing but page and page of text. It practically calls out, &#8220;READ ME, READ ME OUT LOUD IN ELDER&#8217;S QUORUM CLASSES!!!&#8221;  I think perhaps the point in introducing this new curriculum was to get the teachers to work a little harder, go from the spirit more, in their class preparation. And that is happening, but it depends on the teachers. </p>
<p>Even with the tighter controls over curriculum, there are still a few members who manage to teach false doctrine. My jaw dropped when a newly returned missionary told us that God, despite having progressed to Godhood, is still being tempted to sin. It is just that he is so perfect he nevers gives in. I thought to myself, &#8220;Goodness! If I have to suffer temptation for an eternity, I&#8217;d rather just give in to it now and put myself out of misery!!&#8221;</p>
<p>The theological conundrums implied by such an outlandish statement apparently were never thought through by this young man. If God suffers temptation, that means there is a power independent from and possibly greater than He. And that power would be the source of temptation: either a physically imperfect body or Satan. </p>
<p>I just close my eyes and shake my head sometimes. </p>
<p>I wonder how much false doctrine I have taught. Hmmmmmmmm.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeD</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This talk by Eldar Bednar is very appropriate to the question:

&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/1,4945,5344-1-2783-5,FF.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Seek Learning by Faith&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This talk by Eldar Bednar is very appropriate to the question:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/1,4945,5344-1-2783-5,FF.html" rel="nofollow">Seek Learning by Faith</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnna</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4387</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally want to impress--so I get angry at myself and go utilitarian.  Mostly I successfully avoid teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally want to impress&#8211;so I get angry at myself and go utilitarian.  Mostly I successfully avoid teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/09/29/come-now-tell-the-truth-do-you-teach-to-impress/#comment-4386</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one has a good scripture to back up his or her point, and it is relevant to the discussion, why in the world should anyone be intimidated?  The scriptures very often teach something different than conventional wisdom on a subject.  And if one wants to have the Spirit echo the wisdom of his or her words, the word of God is the way to go, not the arm (or mind) of the flesh alone.  No one can gainsay the scriptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one has a good scripture to back up his or her point, and it is relevant to the discussion, why in the world should anyone be intimidated?  The scriptures very often teach something different than conventional wisdom on a subject.  And if one wants to have the Spirit echo the wisdom of his or her words, the word of God is the way to go, not the arm (or mind) of the flesh alone.  No one can gainsay the scriptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm definitely the same. My problem is that I often go too deep either to sound impressive or becuase that's the stuff I've gained so much about lately and assume everyone else would too. This is only sometimes true. I usually need to do as Susan pointed out and focus on trying to figure out what people need to hear. 

Oh, and at least in some singles wards I've attended, GD is better because guys try to sound more impressive in front of the girls. Too bad too because that often intimidates girls from adding to the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely the same. My problem is that I often go too deep either to sound impressive or becuase that&#8217;s the stuff I&#8217;ve gained so much about lately and assume everyone else would too. This is only sometimes true. I usually need to do as Susan pointed out and focus on trying to figure out what people need to hear. </p>
<p>Oh, and at least in some singles wards I&#8217;ve attended, GD is better because guys try to sound more impressive in front of the girls. Too bad too because that often intimidates girls from adding to the discussion.</p>
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