Comments on: Would the “Brethren” Do That? http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4464 Bret Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:50:47 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4464 Chad, Agreed:) Chad,

Agreed:)

]]> By: Chad http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4463 Chad Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:03:51 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4463 Bret - ah yes, I had forgotten about that story. You are absolutely correct. I'm definetly with you on that one. Using scare tactics/guilt to "help others make the right choice" isn't really helping is it? You know, for all our talk about free agency, and people choosing to come unto Christ, we seem to have a dim view of what it really means. Bret - ah yes, I had forgotten about that story. You are absolutely correct. I’m definetly with you on that one. Using scare tactics/guilt to “help others make the right choice” isn’t really helping is it?

You know, for all our talk about free agency, and people choosing to come unto Christ, we seem to have a dim view of what it really means.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4442 Bret Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:37:19 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4442 Chad, I think it depends on the context and the story and such. (and yes, the funniest ones usually arn't true but fun to hear and think are true anyway) The story I was specifically referring to was apocryphal and creepy, really. Basically he talked of a patriarchal blessing given to an old lady who recently joined the church. It supposedly said she would have joined the church years earlier if a certian young man had gone on a mission like he was supposed to. This story is false and wrong to put into a stake conference talk for many reasons. For one, that's not what patriarchal blessings are for and would never have such damning material. Also, I had only a week prior to stake conference collected this exact same story from an aquaintence as part of a research paper on mormon folklore. So, what is the point of telling us this story? To scare us into going on missions and being good missionaries? To generally emphasize to us that our personal righteousness can have great impact upon other's salvation? Anyway it's put only gives the listener a creepy feeling, if you ask me. Plus, one other problem is it's easy to lose the spirit of a messege when you realize the story isn't true. (maybe that's just cynical people like me though) Otherwise, the context you talked about seems great to me:) Chad,
I think it depends on the context and the story and such. (and yes, the funniest ones usually arn’t true but fun to hear and think are true anyway)
The story I was specifically referring to was apocryphal and creepy, really. Basically he talked of a patriarchal blessing given to an old lady who recently joined the church. It supposedly said she would have joined the church years earlier if a certian young man had gone on a mission like he was supposed to.

This story is false and wrong to put into a stake conference talk for many reasons. For one, that’s not what patriarchal blessings are for and would never have such damning material. Also, I had only a week prior to stake conference collected this exact same story from an aquaintence as part of a research paper on mormon folklore.

So, what is the point of telling us this story? To scare us into going on missions and being good missionaries? To generally emphasize to us that our personal righteousness can have great impact upon other’s salvation? Anyway it’s put only gives the listener a creepy feeling, if you ask me.

Plus, one other problem is it’s easy to lose the spirit of a messege when you realize the story isn’t true. (maybe that’s just cynical people like me though)

Otherwise, the context you talked about seems great to me:)

]]> By: Chad http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4441 Chad Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:02:58 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4441 Mark, that is an odd coincidence, isn't it? Bret, I'm not sure I agree with you; what does it matter if the story is true or not if true principles are being taught? There was a great post on the story of Jonah awhile back and there was some debate as to whether or not the story was historically true. Personally, I doubt it; but the point is made all the same. Besides, made-up stories are usually the most entertaining. Mark, that is an odd coincidence, isn’t it? Bret, I’m not sure I agree with you; what does it matter if the story is true or not if true principles are being taught? There was a great post on the story of Jonah awhile back and there was some debate as to whether or not the story was historically true. Personally, I doubt it; but the point is made all the same. Besides, made-up stories are usually the most entertaining.

]]> By: mw* http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4431 mw* Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:01:00 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4431 The Urim, The Thummim, and the Brethern. The Urim, The Thummim, and the Brethern.

]]> By: Mark Butler http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4430 Mark Butler Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:28:08 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4430 Much of what people think is southern Woods Cross or Bountiful (past 2600 S.) is actually in the City of North Salt Lake. I worked across the street from a large motel west of the old Trolley North movie theater (and Wendy's restaurant) for several years. Much of what people think is southern Woods Cross or Bountiful (past 2600 S.) is actually in the City of North Salt Lake. I worked across the street from a large motel west of the old Trolley North movie theater (and Wendy’s restaurant) for several years.

]]> By: Mark IV http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4423 Mark IV Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:57:00 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4423 Here is something I have wondered. Every year or so, the First Presidency sends out a letter that gets read in sacrament meeting encouraging members to NOT write or contact general authorities with their concerns and problems, but to counsel with their bishops and SPs instead. But just about every time we have general conference, president Hinckley reads a letter from a distraught member, usually quoting from it at length. Here's my question: By reading those letters, to what extent is GBH actually encouraging people to NOT follow his own direction? He can certainly do whatever he wants, but it has always struck me as funny that people who have not followed the prophet's explicit counsel get quoted in GC. Here is something I have wondered.

Every year or so, the First Presidency sends out a letter that gets read in sacrament meeting encouraging members to NOT write or contact general authorities with their concerns and problems, but to counsel with their bishops and SPs instead. But just about every time we have general conference, president Hinckley reads a letter from a distraught member, usually quoting from it at length.

Here’s my question: By reading those letters, to what extent is GBH actually encouraging people to NOT follow his own direction? He can certainly do whatever he wants, but it has always struck me as funny that people who have not followed the prophet’s explicit counsel get quoted in GC.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4418 Bret Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:00:31 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4418 I like it when the birthmen use actual stories they reference and all. What I do NOT like are when they use made-up/apochryphal stories and act like they are true, much like a certian stake president I had at school do at stake conference. I like it when the birthmen use actual stories they reference and all. What I do NOT like are when they use made-up/apochryphal stories and act like they are true, much like a certian stake president I had at school do at stake conference.

]]> By: a random John http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4417 a random John Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:46:20 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4417 There are motels in North Salt Lake???? Large ones? Maybe in Woods Cross and Bountiful... There are motels in North Salt Lake???? Large ones? Maybe in Woods Cross and Bountiful…

]]> By: don http://www.nine-moons.com/2006/10/02/would-the-brethern-do-that/#comment-4416 don Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:07:54 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=347#comment-4416 Rusty, LOL. Since you do, now everyone else won't know. Rusty, LOL. Since you do, now everyone else won’t know.

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