Comments on: Garden of Eden - I Don’t Get It!? http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:17:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Todd Wood http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7836 Todd Wood Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:13:58 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7836 I really don't know, friend. If we believe that God knows the future, that Adam and Eve would fall, that the atonement of Christ was planned before the foundation of the world . . . I just tend to be silent pretty much on the question. I really don’t know, friend.

If we believe that God knows the future, that Adam and Eve would fall, that the atonement of Christ was planned before the foundation of the world . . . I just tend to be silent pretty much on the question.

]]> By: Don Clifton http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7798 Don Clifton Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:22:20 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7798 Todd, I appreciate your answers. Could you briefly give me an idea of what your belief is about A&E and the garden. If A&E had not partaken of the fruit, what would have happened - long term? Todd, I appreciate your answers. Could you briefly give me an idea of what your belief is about A&E and the garden. If A&E had not partaken of the fruit, what would have happened - long term?

]]> By: Todd Wood http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7797 Todd Wood Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:56 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7797 Ok guys, I am just getting back today, looking over what you have mentioned. Regarding Don's post #17 . . . 1st question? I would assume so. 2nd question? I would have desired to be there forever. Wherever I can walk in God's presence that is where I would desire to be. God's presence makes it paradise. 3rd question? A&E were thrust out because of sin, so would anybody. Sin can't exist with a holy God. No matter who it is, rebellion against God is not progress. It leads to separation from God. 4th question? I would assume this would be possible. I do know this, Don. The person and work of Christ can separate family members. Those that believe on Christ will be with Him in Heaven. Those family members that look not to the redemption from their sins, offered in Christ, will be in Hell. Don, I will say this. Anything that I try to answer in regard to your questions not specifically mentioned in the biblical scriptures is purely Todd Wood speculation, nothing more. I carry no authority within myself, no matter how good-lookin' I might be. :) (Well, only my wife thinks that I have any good looks). Ok guys, I am just getting back today, looking over what you have mentioned.

Regarding Don’s post #17 . . .

1st question? I would assume so.

2nd question? I would have desired to be there forever. Wherever I can walk in God’s presence that is where I would desire to be. God’s presence makes it paradise.

3rd question? A&E were thrust out because of sin, so would anybody. Sin can’t exist with a holy God. No matter who it is, rebellion against God is not progress. It leads to separation from God.

4th question? I would assume this would be possible. I do know this, Don. The person and work of Christ can separate family members. Those that believe on Christ will be with Him in Heaven. Those family members that look not to the redemption from their sins, offered in Christ, will be in Hell.

Don, I will say this. Anything that I try to answer in regard to your questions not specifically mentioned in the biblical scriptures is purely Todd Wood speculation, nothing more. I carry no authority within myself, no matter how good-lookin’ I might be. :)

(Well, only my wife thinks that I have any good looks).

]]> By: Steve EM http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7792 Steve EM Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:41:48 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7792 Bret, to be fair, Don's question is sort of one of those "what if" things that most poeple shy away from. The is myth is what it is and can be interpreted in a variety of ways. When someone throws in a "what if........", now we have a different myth and comparing interpretations between the orginal and the "what if" version often doesn't help answer anything, sort of like trying to compare apples to oranges. But I sure hope Todd follows-up on Don's clarification. Bret, to be fair, Don’s question is sort of one of those “what if” things that most poeple shy away from. The is myth is what it is and can be interpreted in a variety of ways. When someone throws in a “what if……..”, now we have a different myth and comparing interpretations between the orginal and the “what if” version often doesn’t help answer anything, sort of like trying to compare apples to oranges.

But I sure hope Todd follows-up on Don’s clarification.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7759 Bret Sun, 18 Feb 2007 06:14:36 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7759 I'm amazed how many people in this thread are getting hung up on semantics or completely missing the point of your question, Don. I wish I had an answer for you but are just as anxious to understand as you are. I might also ask where the Savior comes into play with all this. Would we not need Him if Adam didn't fall or would Hius role change? I assume the former but I'd like to know. I’m amazed how many people in this thread are getting hung up on semantics or completely missing the point of your question, Don. I wish I had an answer for you but are just as anxious to understand as you are.

I might also ask where the Savior comes into play with all this. Would we not need Him if Adam didn’t fall or would Hius role change? I assume the former but I’d like to know.

]]> By: Don Clifton http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7659 Don Clifton Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:49:01 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7659 Larryco, I think you have the "common" Mormon view. That isn't however the view the Christian world has. And obviously it's not the view of some of those who have posted here. Larryco, I think you have the “common” Mormon view. That isn’t however the view the Christian world has. And obviously it’s not the view of some of those who have posted here.

]]> By: Don Clifton http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7658 Don Clifton Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:46:58 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7658 Todd, I wasn't saying it was impossible for the children of innocent parents A&E to sin. My question was to help me better understand your view on the garden situation and A&E. My assumption is that if A&E didn't partake of the fruit they would have lived in the garden and had children. Is that correct? If that is correct, how long would they have lived in the garden? If one of their children, or several of them for that matter, partook of the fruit would they then be kicked out of the garden? If that is the case then some people would be living wonderful lives in the garden of eden and others would be living in the world as we see it now, outside the garden? Am I missing something here? Todd, I wasn’t saying it was impossible for the children of innocent parents A&E to sin. My question was to help me better understand your view on the garden situation and A&E.

My assumption is that if A&E didn’t partake of the fruit they would have lived in the garden and had children. Is that correct?

If that is correct, how long would they have lived in the garden?

If one of their children, or several of them for that matter, partook of the fruit would they then be kicked out of the garden?

If that is the case then some people would be living wonderful lives in the garden of eden and others would be living in the world as we see it now, outside the garden?

Am I missing something here?

]]> By: larryco_ http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7647 larryco_ Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:40:00 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7647 Am I the only one who was taught growing up that Adam & Eve were in a state somewhere between mortality and immortality (possibly not the right word) and that their innocence and lack of knowledge precluded them from having children while in the Garden? The fall presented, then, the opportunity to "multiply and replenish" the earth. I've always thought that the only two options were for A&E to live together forever in the Garden by themselves or to partake of the fruit and begin having children. Am I the only one who was taught growing up that Adam & Eve were in a state somewhere between mortality and immortality (possibly not the right word) and that their innocence and lack of knowledge precluded them from having children while in the Garden? The fall presented, then, the opportunity to “multiply and replenish” the earth. I’ve always thought that the only two options were for A&E to live together forever in the Garden by themselves or to partake of the fruit and begin having children.

]]> By: Todd Wood http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7600 Todd Wood Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:42:51 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7600 <em>No fall no kids</em> . . . do the missionary discussions really teach this? According to Romans, the sin of Adam wreaked devastation upon the human race. Thank God for the second <em>Adam</em>. If the repercussions from the first Adam seem unfair, think of the extraordinary outcome from the work of the second Adam. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul is a master in working his way through this thread. Don, the account of the fall in Genesis offers no hope except through the <em>protoevangelium</em>. In regards to your questions, could you offer me any evangelical sources that say it is impossible for the children of innocent parents to sin? I am scratching my head over this. But Scripture does make clear where one sinned, all sinned. Sin is that devastatingly unfair. No fall no kids . . . do the missionary discussions really teach this?

According to Romans, the sin of Adam wreaked devastation upon the human race. Thank God for the second Adam. If the repercussions from the first Adam seem unfair, think of the extraordinary outcome from the work of the second Adam. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul is a master in working his way through this thread.

Don, the account of the fall in Genesis offers no hope except through the protoevangelium.

In regards to your questions, could you offer me any evangelical sources that say it is impossible for the children of innocent parents to sin? I am scratching my head over this. But Scripture does make clear where one sinned, all sinned. Sin is that devastatingly unfair.

]]> By: Steve EM http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7591 Steve EM Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:51:20 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/02/13/garden-of-eden-i-dont-get-it/#comment-7591 Don, Please don't include me in "Ours". I think the fall is a metaphor that each of us chose this mortal existence from a more innocent existence, that we're here voluntarily, nothing more. Yes, I'm well versed in the missionary discussions, and I think they're a crock of merde in that regard. I certainly look forward to Todd's answer to your question. Don,
Please don’t include me in “Ours”. I think the fall is a metaphor that each of us chose this mortal existence from a more innocent existence, that we’re here voluntarily, nothing more. Yes, I’m well versed in the missionary discussions, and I think they’re a crock of merde in that regard.

I certainly look forward to Todd’s answer to your question.

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