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		<title>By: kristen j</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/04/19/mourning-with-those-that-mourn-or-not/#comment-11684</link>
		<dc:creator>kristen j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.  I think it's pretty normal for you to feel a bit disconnected with tragedies like the VT shootings.  Honestly, I feel the same way.  I don't live there, I don't know any of the victims, and I've never been through anything like that.

On the other hand, my son almost drowned a few years ago (we pulled a blue and lifeles child out of the pool and did cpr on him) and now every summer when the news starts having stories about kids drowning I feel so much sorrow for the families.  I can't hardly stand to hear about it.

I think it's ok though.  While one part of the the country is in serious mourning, the rest of us will be sad but carry on with life as we know it until they are able to join us again. Then they will do the same for us when our time with tragedy comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  I think it&#8217;s pretty normal for you to feel a bit disconnected with tragedies like the VT shootings.  Honestly, I feel the same way.  I don&#8217;t live there, I don&#8217;t know any of the victims, and I&#8217;ve never been through anything like that.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my son almost drowned a few years ago (we pulled a blue and lifeles child out of the pool and did cpr on him) and now every summer when the news starts having stories about kids drowning I feel so much sorrow for the families.  I can&#8217;t hardly stand to hear about it.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s ok though.  While one part of the the country is in serious mourning, the rest of us will be sad but carry on with life as we know it until they are able to join us again. Then they will do the same for us when our time with tragedy comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grow weary of the specific attention they are giving the Virginia Tech killer. By posting his rants, they are opening doors for others to follow him. 

I agree that sometimes we can feel guilt for not taking the time to feel the pain of other people. But mourning with those that mourn doesn't have to be to weep openly, it could be (as PDoE mentions) to move on and help in other, more practical ways. 

After 9/11, I remember everyone talking about not letting the terroists stop our way of life. To keep going and to show them that we will not be affected to the point of destroying ourselves in misery. So, perhaps, while one person mourns outwardly with anger and sadness, someone else will mourn inwardly with conviction and strength. We need all kinds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grow weary of the specific attention they are giving the Virginia Tech killer. By posting his rants, they are opening doors for others to follow him. </p>
<p>I agree that sometimes we can feel guilt for not taking the time to feel the pain of other people. But mourning with those that mourn doesn&#8217;t have to be to weep openly, it could be (as PDoE mentions) to move on and help in other, more practical ways. </p>
<p>After 9/11, I remember everyone talking about not letting the terroists stop our way of life. To keep going and to show them that we will not be affected to the point of destroying ourselves in misery. So, perhaps, while one person mourns outwardly with anger and sadness, someone else will mourn inwardly with conviction and strength. We need all kinds.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother and I just watched "United 93" two nights ago and I was telling him how my first reaction to the news of 9/11 was that of speculation that this might be one of the bigger steps toward the Second Coming.

Glenn Beck has been discussing this very thing on his show since yesterday and with both you and him. I think I was more surprised the kid did all of it with pistols more than that he did it at all. I of course feel for all those effected but I don't know how much I can mourn with those that mourn when I'm nowhere near the incident or anyone effected by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother and I just watched &#8220;United 93&#8243; two nights ago and I was telling him how my first reaction to the news of 9/11 was that of speculation that this might be one of the bigger steps toward the Second Coming.</p>
<p>Glenn Beck has been discussing this very thing on his show since yesterday and with both you and him. I think I was more surprised the kid did all of it with pistols more than that he did it at all. I of course feel for all those effected but I don&#8217;t know how much I can mourn with those that mourn when I&#8217;m nowhere near the incident or anyone effected by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth I think Susan has asked the right question.  I live in Northern Virginia about 220 miles from Blacksburg.  I don't know anybody at the campus although some kids from our ward have attended there in the past.  I too have grown weary of the amount of coverage, especially the detail of the killer's life now that the video messages he sent to NBC have come out.

But living here in Virginia I have also been touched by others.  On Tuesday afternoon I went to my gym after work and the majority of the folks there we wearing Virginia Tech t-shirts - I'm sure all who had them - and the cars in the parking lot had stickers and signs attached supporting Virginia Tech.  The members of the local Korean Episcopal church all gathered that night to pray for the families of the victims and for the students that survived, I'm sure out of a simple sense of support.  The aid and comfort offered by so many has helped me feel more deeply for those who lost loved ones.  And I have imagined the horror that must have been experienced by the students that were killed.

Maybe it's because a young woman in my wife's immediate family recently died a pre-mature death that I have been able to feel for those who have lost someone.

Today, 30 years after the Vietnam war, I go to the Vietnam memorial and as I stand at the top of the walkway I don't really feel anything.  But as I walk down the ramp and the wall gets higher and the lists of names gets ever longer, I begin to feel the pain.  And then I see a relative of one of the fallen reaching out just to touch the name - almost always with tears in their eyes or opening weeping - and I can feel it again.  

Distance - physical or relational - can sometimes shield us from sorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth I think Susan has asked the right question.  I live in Northern Virginia about 220 miles from Blacksburg.  I don&#8217;t know anybody at the campus although some kids from our ward have attended there in the past.  I too have grown weary of the amount of coverage, especially the detail of the killer&#8217;s life now that the video messages he sent to NBC have come out.</p>
<p>But living here in Virginia I have also been touched by others.  On Tuesday afternoon I went to my gym after work and the majority of the folks there we wearing Virginia Tech t-shirts - I&#8217;m sure all who had them - and the cars in the parking lot had stickers and signs attached supporting Virginia Tech.  The members of the local Korean Episcopal church all gathered that night to pray for the families of the victims and for the students that survived, I&#8217;m sure out of a simple sense of support.  The aid and comfort offered by so many has helped me feel more deeply for those who lost loved ones.  And I have imagined the horror that must have been experienced by the students that were killed.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because a young woman in my wife&#8217;s immediate family recently died a pre-mature death that I have been able to feel for those who have lost someone.</p>
<p>Today, 30 years after the Vietnam war, I go to the Vietnam memorial and as I stand at the top of the walkway I don&#8217;t really feel anything.  But as I walk down the ramp and the wall gets higher and the lists of names gets ever longer, I begin to feel the pain.  And then I see a relative of one of the fallen reaching out just to touch the name - almost always with tears in their eyes or opening weeping - and I can feel it again.  </p>
<p>Distance - physical or relational - can sometimes shield us from sorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: RCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't mean to be rude, but I have a difficult time understanding how you can be so empathetic to fictional characters on a sitcom and not be to &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; people suffering &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; tragedy.  It's not like your pondering on foreign policy after 9/11 actually accomplished anything (on the assumption that you are not, in fact, a high level gov't official, lol).  Sure, your shedding tears for the loss of people you don't know would have accomplished just as little, but come on -- they were &lt;em&gt;real people&lt;/em&gt;.

I simply don't understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be rude, but I have a difficult time understanding how you can be so empathetic to fictional characters on a sitcom and not be to <em>real</em> people suffering <em>real</em> tragedy.  It&#8217;s not like your pondering on foreign policy after 9/11 actually accomplished anything (on the assumption that you are not, in fact, a high level gov&#8217;t official, lol).  Sure, your shedding tears for the loss of people you don&#8217;t know would have accomplished just as little, but come on &#8212; they were <em>real people</em>.</p>
<p>I simply don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Susan, I haven't really.

I've had a couple grandparents die, but that's really not the same thing.

A sister missionary I knew well died on my mission and that one has stuck with me more than others. But she wasn't family, or even a close friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Susan, I haven&#8217;t really.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a couple grandparents die, but that&#8217;s really not the same thing.</p>
<p>A sister missionary I knew well died on my mission and that one has stuck with me more than others. But she wasn&#8217;t family, or even a close friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have written this entire post verbatim.  Glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have written this entire post verbatim.  Glad to see I&#8217;m not the only one who feels this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm curious---have you ever lost a loved one, Seth? I know I feel things much more deeply than I used to, because I have lost so many family members. I can't even watch the news. (Although a lot of that is just the way the newscasters handle things. Katie Couric interviewing some guy still in shock right after the shootings? Man, give them some room, people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious&#8212;have you ever lost a loved one, Seth? I know I feel things much more deeply than I used to, because I have lost so many family members. I can&#8217;t even watch the news. (Although a lot of that is just the way the newscasters handle things. Katie Couric interviewing some guy still in shock right after the shootings? Man, give them some room, people.)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter LLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter LLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To this day, I think my own actions (however clumsily and tactlessly executed) were more constructive than those of my classmates. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, pat yourself on the back and move on to the solution of the next one. Heaven knows worrying about problems doesn't solve anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To this day, I think my own actions (however clumsily and tactlessly executed) were more constructive than those of my classmates. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, pat yourself on the back and move on to the solution of the next one. Heaven knows worrying about problems doesn&#8217;t solve anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Proud Daughter of Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proud Daughter of Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need people like you, Seth, people who can keep going and do what needs done in the face of the overwhelming.  On the other hand, neither reaction is better than the other.  Those "mourning with those that mourn" should be able to appreciate those who keep doing what is necessary and those who can keep going shouldn't look down on those who are overwhelmed.  We should all have more consideration and understanding for each other and how we react to things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need people like you, Seth, people who can keep going and do what needs done in the face of the overwhelming.  On the other hand, neither reaction is better than the other.  Those &#8220;mourning with those that mourn&#8221; should be able to appreciate those who keep doing what is necessary and those who can keep going shouldn&#8217;t look down on those who are overwhelmed.  We should all have more consideration and understanding for each other and how we react to things.</p>
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