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		<title>By: Don Clifton</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/07/30/blessing-the-sick-why-doesnt-it-work/#comment-20504</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few things I noticed about "miracles" are: they rarely happen, most are shared or bragged about but are considered sacred so we don't hear about them, the longer the time between the miracle and the present the more we tend to forget the mirale part and the more we tend to explain it away bit by bit and last if we don't record it when it happens it will probably be lost forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things I noticed about &#8220;miracles&#8221; are: they rarely happen, most are shared or bragged about but are considered sacred so we don&#8217;t hear about them, the longer the time between the miracle and the present the more we tend to forget the mirale part and the more we tend to explain it away bit by bit and last if we don&#8217;t record it when it happens it will probably be lost forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen (20)

Right on in your first paragraph!

I'm sorry to hear about your children.  I'll say no more in regards to that.

I also think that most miracles that happen aren't proclaimed to other people.  The miracles that I've seen are usually not suitable for discussion with other people.

And yet, Don makes a good point.  I wonder how often things don't work because of our own lack of faith.  If it can happen to apostles. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen (20)</p>
<p>Right on in your first paragraph!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear about your children.  I&#8217;ll say no more in regards to that.</p>
<p>I also think that most miracles that happen aren&#8217;t proclaimed to other people.  The miracles that I&#8217;ve seen are usually not suitable for discussion with other people.</p>
<p>And yet, Don makes a good point.  I wonder how often things don&#8217;t work because of our own lack of faith.  If it can happen to apostles. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/07/30/blessing-the-sick-why-doesnt-it-work/#comment-20365</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;endlessnegotiation&lt;/em&gt;  -- except, I've been around when solid miracles happened.  You know, bed sores that went clear through to the bone, biopsies done to justify amputation and the next day not a trace, just pink skin (for example).  That is a concrete, physical miracle.

I got kicked in the face hard enough to pick me up (a training exercise accident). Not a mark on me afterwards.

Yet ... I've buried three children too.

I've blogged on the topic.

&lt;em&gt; Don&lt;/em&gt;  -- I'm just thinking of miracles happening maybe ten or twenty times more often, still a drop in the bucket.  They'd still be thought of as miracles, though we wouldn't see them so much as miraculous as magic, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>endlessnegotiation</em>  &#8212; except, I&#8217;ve been around when solid miracles happened.  You know, bed sores that went clear through to the bone, biopsies done to justify amputation and the next day not a trace, just pink skin (for example).  That is a concrete, physical miracle.</p>
<p>I got kicked in the face hard enough to pick me up (a training exercise accident). Not a mark on me afterwards.</p>
<p>Yet &#8230; I&#8217;ve buried three children too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve blogged on the topic.</p>
<p><em> Don</em>  &#8212; I&#8217;m just thinking of miracles happening maybe ten or twenty times more often, still a drop in the bucket.  They&#8217;d still be thought of as miracles, though we wouldn&#8217;t see them so much as miraculous as magic, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: KyleM</title>
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		<dc:creator>KyleM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I'm glad that the connection between sin and illness has been deprecated.  It's still not completely gone.  My own grandmother thought I needed to repent and get back out on my mission when I was bedridden for six months.  Tests showed that I had two viruses.  Though I am a sinful person like everyone else, I was not unrepentant.  I was sick.  The priesthood blessings I had received during that time all told me it was time to move on in my life, but I wanted to continue to serve. It wasn’t until I agreed to be released that I began to get better.  

Second, I think the "God's will" argument is a bunch of garbage.  When a blessing isn't fulfilled, it is more likely that the voice's will is not being done rather than God's will is being done.  When the spirit is prompting the content of the blessing, non fulfillment is rare.

Lastly, I think we bless the sick because miracles can and do happen.  I think they are rare, though.  There are, in my mind more importantly, tangential benefits to blessing for the one who blesses and the blessed.  It is an exercise in faith.  It is also an opportunity to receive counsel from your father in heaven.  I think many of us have received answers to prayers while receiving blessings something unrelated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;m glad that the connection between sin and illness has been deprecated.  It&#8217;s still not completely gone.  My own grandmother thought I needed to repent and get back out on my mission when I was bedridden for six months.  Tests showed that I had two viruses.  Though I am a sinful person like everyone else, I was not unrepentant.  I was sick.  The priesthood blessings I had received during that time all told me it was time to move on in my life, but I wanted to continue to serve. It wasn’t until I agreed to be released that I began to get better.  </p>
<p>Second, I think the &#8220;God&#8217;s will&#8221; argument is a bunch of garbage.  When a blessing isn&#8217;t fulfilled, it is more likely that the voice&#8217;s will is not being done rather than God&#8217;s will is being done.  When the spirit is prompting the content of the blessing, non fulfillment is rare.</p>
<p>Lastly, I think we bless the sick because miracles can and do happen.  I think they are rare, though.  There are, in my mind more importantly, tangential benefits to blessing for the one who blesses and the blessed.  It is an exercise in faith.  It is also an opportunity to receive counsel from your father in heaven.  I think many of us have received answers to prayers while receiving blessings something unrelated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but God's will is aligned with the faith of the believer. He seems to be trying to hammer that into us all througout the scriptures. All things are possible with faith. I just can't seem to figure that out.

Oh, and God's will does not always come to pass. If that were so, there probebly would not have been a rebellion in heaven and all the fallout since then&#62;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but God&#8217;s will is aligned with the faith of the believer. He seems to be trying to hammer that into us all througout the scriptures. All things are possible with faith. I just can&#8217;t seem to figure that out.</p>
<p>Oh, and God&#8217;s will does not always come to pass. If that were so, there probebly would not have been a rebellion in heaven and all the fallout since then&gt;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Clifton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Endless, I appreciate your prospective and insights.  I didn't mean to imply that every blessing that doesn't work is the result of unworthiness of either the giver or the receiver.  Sometimes the weasle clause is in fact the truth.  As a matter of fact the weasle clause is probably always the truth.  God's will is probably the deciding factor in all blessings.  I don't think our faith and prayers are going to change that.  It's our responsibility to aline our will with His.

I think your comments are right on.  

So I guess our blessings/healings/non-healings are really all about us and our faith, how it effects us and how we deal with it....the healing if it does take place is almost a side effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Endless, I appreciate your prospective and insights.  I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that every blessing that doesn&#8217;t work is the result of unworthiness of either the giver or the receiver.  Sometimes the weasle clause is in fact the truth.  As a matter of fact the weasle clause is probably always the truth.  God&#8217;s will is probably the deciding factor in all blessings.  I don&#8217;t think our faith and prayers are going to change that.  It&#8217;s our responsibility to aline our will with His.</p>
<p>I think your comments are right on.  </p>
<p>So I guess our blessings/healings/non-healings are really all about us and our faith, how it effects us and how we deal with it&#8230;.the healing if it does take place is almost a side effect.</p>
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		<title>By: endlessnegotiation</title>
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		<dc:creator>endlessnegotiation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don:

I think the concept of the healing prayer is a cultural creation that has seen it's time pass.  Think back to conditions 2000 years ago.  Back then just about any bug or injury would very likely result in the death of the sufferer.  An official blessing from an authorized representative of a diety had the power to give an individual something he/she would not otherwise have-- hope.  Hope beyond random probability.  We learn from scripture that hope preceeds faith so by offering someone hope the priesthood holder was facilitating a faith-exercising experience that was completely independent of whatever malady troubled the afflicted.  Random "healings" were consequently credited to the priesthood blessing reinforcing the prospect of hope for other afflicted individuals.  Success stories were repeated and proliferated in order to help build/sustain the legend.  I'm not discounting miracles entirely but I think that actual miracles are incredibly rare.  Events like the plagues Moses called down upon the Egyptians or Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead are miracles.  Stories of Brother Joseph healing random members during a cholera epidemic are merely modern stories that reinforce the legend.  This is the opposite side of the same coin you played in #8 when you wrote, "I think we look for subtle ways to justify why things don’t happen."  Today because we have a much greater understanding of the body and disease and due to our success with life-saving measures hope must come from divining and understanding God's will.  Both my great-grandfather and my grandfather died of simple, easily treatable infections and their deaths came as quite a surprise to both the family and their treating physicians.  Both died despite numerous blessings by worthy priesthood holders and unwavering faith of the blessed and his family.  How else to explain the death than to play the "God's will weasel [card]"?  Based on your fomulation someone involved in those two specific situations had to be lying about either their worthiness or the measure of their faith for the blessings to be so ineffectual.  Given that I know the individuals involved either of those two propositions would come as a monumental surprise.  That's why I make the claim that the outcome of a healing blessing is completely irrelevant.  And yes, I think that the miracle of modern medical technology makes the blessing to heal an anachronism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don:</p>
<p>I think the concept of the healing prayer is a cultural creation that has seen it&#8217;s time pass.  Think back to conditions 2000 years ago.  Back then just about any bug or injury would very likely result in the death of the sufferer.  An official blessing from an authorized representative of a diety had the power to give an individual something he/she would not otherwise have&#8211; hope.  Hope beyond random probability.  We learn from scripture that hope preceeds faith so by offering someone hope the priesthood holder was facilitating a faith-exercising experience that was completely independent of whatever malady troubled the afflicted.  Random &#8220;healings&#8221; were consequently credited to the priesthood blessing reinforcing the prospect of hope for other afflicted individuals.  Success stories were repeated and proliferated in order to help build/sustain the legend.  I&#8217;m not discounting miracles entirely but I think that actual miracles are incredibly rare.  Events like the plagues Moses called down upon the Egyptians or Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead are miracles.  Stories of Brother Joseph healing random members during a cholera epidemic are merely modern stories that reinforce the legend.  This is the opposite side of the same coin you played in #8 when you wrote, &#8220;I think we look for subtle ways to justify why things don’t happen.&#8221;  Today because we have a much greater understanding of the body and disease and due to our success with life-saving measures hope must come from divining and understanding God&#8217;s will.  Both my great-grandfather and my grandfather died of simple, easily treatable infections and their deaths came as quite a surprise to both the family and their treating physicians.  Both died despite numerous blessings by worthy priesthood holders and unwavering faith of the blessed and his family.  How else to explain the death than to play the &#8220;God&#8217;s will weasel [card]&#8220;?  Based on your fomulation someone involved in those two specific situations had to be lying about either their worthiness or the measure of their faith for the blessings to be so ineffectual.  Given that I know the individuals involved either of those two propositions would come as a monumental surprise.  That&#8217;s why I make the claim that the outcome of a healing blessing is completely irrelevant.  And yes, I think that the miracle of modern medical technology makes the blessing to heal an anachronism.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, if miracles happened a lot more, then they wouldn't be called miracles, they'd be call everyday happenings-lol

It would make it a lot easier for me if God would just act / react like I think He should!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, if miracles happened a lot more, then they wouldn&#8217;t be called miracles, they&#8217;d be call everyday happenings-lol</p>
<p>It would make it a lot easier for me if God would just act / react like I think He should!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess, I'd be a lot more at ease if:

1)  we didn't have miracles at all -- then we could rest in the concept that the miracle is that God is aware and loves us.

or

2)  we had a lot more miracles -- then we could rest in the faith that miracles turn out like clockwork.

It is the fact that they happen, but rarely, and without an easy way to predict them. That makes it harder, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess, I&#8217;d be a lot more at ease if:</p>
<p>1)  we didn&#8217;t have miracles at all &#8212; then we could rest in the concept that the miracle is that God is aware and loves us.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>2)  we had a lot more miracles &#8212; then we could rest in the faith that miracles turn out like clockwork.</p>
<p>It is the fact that they happen, but rarely, and without an easy way to predict them. That makes it harder, really.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Fenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Fenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two cents- I feel like all things in life, God does not work on a culturally logical plane-if it was so, there would be no reason to work for our faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two cents- I feel like all things in life, God does not work on a culturally logical plane-if it was so, there would be no reason to work for our faith.</p>
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