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	<title>Comments on: Guest Series: The Case For Reconciliation (Part 1 of 3)</title>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Good <a href="http://bkmos.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">work</a><a>.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/24/guest-series-the-case-for-reconciliation-part-1-of-3/#comment-52676</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Misty</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/24/guest-series-the-case-for-reconciliation-part-1-of-3/#comment-27782</link>
		<dc:creator>Misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, It was the evolution issue that got me questioning things as well, but I, alas, was in college at the time. 

It took me almost four years to reconcile my religious beliefs with the scientific proofs, but the biggest revelation came the very night that my doubts occurred.  The scripture "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little" came flooding to my mind as well as a couple of songs, one being from Disney's The Rescuers, "Be Brave Little One".

For me, reconciliation takes time.  It takes study, and it takes faith.  You have to be willing to let go of what you think is true in order to be able to accept the answers that God can give you.  And the experience can be very scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, It was the evolution issue that got me questioning things as well, but I, alas, was in college at the time. </p>
<p>It took me almost four years to reconcile my religious beliefs with the scientific proofs, but the biggest revelation came the very night that my doubts occurred.  The scripture &#8220;line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little&#8221; came flooding to my mind as well as a couple of songs, one being from Disney&#8217;s The Rescuers, &#8220;Be Brave Little One&#8221;.</p>
<p>For me, reconciliation takes time.  It takes study, and it takes faith.  You have to be willing to let go of what you think is true in order to be able to accept the answers that God can give you.  And the experience can be very scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/24/guest-series-the-case-for-reconciliation-part-1-of-3/#comment-27124</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamonte, I agree that the Lord will work it all out on the other side, and I look forward to it very much.  See tomorrow's post 3 for a discussion (hopefully!) about why it might be important for us to try for reconciliation now anyway. I'm not sure it is, but I'm leaning that way.

Silus, the reconciliation you mention for evolution/creation is the most prevalent and basically it works, but it definitely doesn't cover everything.  As I mentioned in the original post, what about the Fall?  Was everything truly immortal in the Garden of Eden?  NO death?  How is this possible given what we know about physiology and indeed the law of entropy?  (that's not to say it isn't possible, but I sure do want to know how to reconile that!)  And how about all these animals and plants?  were predators really not eating their prey?  why not?  what were they eating, and how did their systems (evolved for a certain kind of food) handle it?  There are more questions like these but I'm lazy and also late to pick up my kid.  Thanks for your comments.

Mark B, I will bring you some very exciting photos and also live video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamonte, I agree that the Lord will work it all out on the other side, and I look forward to it very much.  See tomorrow&#8217;s post 3 for a discussion (hopefully!) about why it might be important for us to try for reconciliation now anyway. I&#8217;m not sure it is, but I&#8217;m leaning that way.</p>
<p>Silus, the reconciliation you mention for evolution/creation is the most prevalent and basically it works, but it definitely doesn&#8217;t cover everything.  As I mentioned in the original post, what about the Fall?  Was everything truly immortal in the Garden of Eden?  NO death?  How is this possible given what we know about physiology and indeed the law of entropy?  (that&#8217;s not to say it isn&#8217;t possible, but I sure do want to know how to reconile that!)  And how about all these animals and plants?  were predators really not eating their prey?  why not?  what were they eating, and how did their systems (evolved for a certain kind of food) handle it?  There are more questions like these but I&#8217;m lazy and also late to pick up my kid.  Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>Mark B, I will bring you some very exciting photos and also live video.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/24/guest-series-the-case-for-reconciliation-part-1-of-3/#comment-27123</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ, nice point, I agree.  I already said this in the comments on today's post (part 2), but just to disclose: I think we should confront these issues with an open mind, but my process of investigation into apparent conflicts rests on the assumption that reconciliation is always possible.  Which itself rests on the assumption that God exists (one of those cherished beliefs Doubter references).  I hadn't realized I had these underlying assumptions until reading doubter's comments.  Very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ, nice point, I agree.  I already said this in the comments on today&#8217;s post (part 2), but just to disclose: I think we should confront these issues with an open mind, but my process of investigation into apparent conflicts rests on the assumption that reconciliation is always possible.  Which itself rests on the assumption that God exists (one of those cherished beliefs Doubter references).  I hadn&#8217;t realized I had these underlying assumptions until reading doubter&#8217;s comments.  Very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...theories ARE up for discussion just as much (if not more) as the words of prophets are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;theories ARE up for discussion just as much (if not more) as the words of prophets are.</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/24/guest-series-the-case-for-reconciliation-part-1-of-3/#comment-27107</link>
		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris, Have you been reading my mind? These questions have been at the forefront of my thoughts for a few years now (sorry, I'm a late bloomer). I like Doubters comment: 

&lt;em&gt;
I don’t think you really confront these issues until you are really prepared to abandon your most cherished beliefs.&lt;/em&gt;

...but I believe this is a two way street. For instance, sometimes we receive counsel that not only contradicts science but also the very core feelings we've always had about life. In short, sometimes we have to be prepared to abandon our most cherished &lt;em&gt;common sense&lt;/em&gt; if we are to ever come to any sort of reconciliation. 

Also, its hard to argue with evidence. For example I remember shouting at my OT seminary teacher, "but they found bones!!". She refused to budge. Arguing with hard science is not very productive. BUT theories are only based on evidence, not the same as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris, Have you been reading my mind? These questions have been at the forefront of my thoughts for a few years now (sorry, I&#8217;m a late bloomer). I like Doubters comment: </p>
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I don’t think you really confront these issues until you are really prepared to abandon your most cherished beliefs.</em></p>
<p>&#8230;but I believe this is a two way street. For instance, sometimes we receive counsel that not only contradicts science but also the very core feelings we&#8217;ve always had about life. In short, sometimes we have to be prepared to abandon our most cherished <em>common sense</em> if we are to ever come to any sort of reconciliation. </p>
<p>Also, its hard to argue with evidence. For example I remember shouting at my OT seminary teacher, &#8220;but they found bones!!&#8221;. She refused to budge. Arguing with hard science is not very productive. BUT theories are only based on evidence, not the same as evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris - Welcome to Nine Moons and thanks for your thought provoking post.  I served as bishop several years ago and I remember speaking with the local temple president about issues relating to sealing of families together (you might be wondering where I'm going with this so I'll try to be brief).  Ward members would sometimes ask me about complex family relationships - "If a couple marries in the temple, has children, then that sealing is canceled because the father was excommunicated and the mother remarried - in the temple - to another man, who adopted the kids then who are the children sealed to?  What if their father is rebaptized and goes back to the temple?"  Stuff like that.  Our wise temple president would usually answer with something like, "The Lord will work all that out on the other side."

I think there are so many questions we don't know the answers to and yet I don't think those questions should cause us to lose our faith.  Rather, like John Kline says above, our faith should increase and our love for God should quadruple because we realize he has blessed us with inquiring minds that seek truth.  I remember hearing the old German rocket scientist, Wernher von Braun, who came over to the American side after WWII, once said that the further he saw into space, the more it convinced him of the existance of God.  Paraphrasing John Kline again, we should not be afraid to ask the questions and seek the answers if we have a deep and abiding faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.  If there are conflicts between our faith and our intellect just remember "the Lord will work all that out on the other side."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris - Welcome to Nine Moons and thanks for your thought provoking post.  I served as bishop several years ago and I remember speaking with the local temple president about issues relating to sealing of families together (you might be wondering where I&#8217;m going with this so I&#8217;ll try to be brief).  Ward members would sometimes ask me about complex family relationships - &#8220;If a couple marries in the temple, has children, then that sealing is canceled because the father was excommunicated and the mother remarried - in the temple - to another man, who adopted the kids then who are the children sealed to?  What if their father is rebaptized and goes back to the temple?&#8221;  Stuff like that.  Our wise temple president would usually answer with something like, &#8220;The Lord will work all that out on the other side.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there are so many questions we don&#8217;t know the answers to and yet I don&#8217;t think those questions should cause us to lose our faith.  Rather, like John Kline says above, our faith should increase and our love for God should quadruple because we realize he has blessed us with inquiring minds that seek truth.  I remember hearing the old German rocket scientist, Wernher von Braun, who came over to the American side after WWII, once said that the further he saw into space, the more it convinced him of the existance of God.  Paraphrasing John Kline again, we should not be afraid to ask the questions and seek the answers if we have a deep and abiding faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.  If there are conflicts between our faith and our intellect just remember &#8220;the Lord will work all that out on the other side.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fregramis</title>
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		<dc:creator>fregramis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we evolve into resurrected beings as well? In several million years perhaps?</description>
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		<title>By: Silus Grok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silus Grok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm curious, Kris, about your comment that you haven't found a satisfying way to reconcile evolution and LDS doctrine... I thought the idea that God used evolution, nudged it this way and that to achieve hominids, then waited for the vessels to properly evolve before he endowed them with our spirits (which is my belief) to be fairly wide-spread --- and, at least for me, fully satisfying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious, Kris, about your comment that you haven&#8217;t found a satisfying way to reconcile evolution and LDS doctrine&#8230; I thought the idea that God used evolution, nudged it this way and that to achieve hominids, then waited for the vessels to properly evolve before he endowed them with our spirits (which is my belief) to be fairly wide-spread &#8212; and, at least for me, fully satisfying.</p>
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