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		<title>By: Nickolas Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickolas Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-33321</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an article in the Salt Lake Tribune following Romney's speech that struck a note of confirmation with me. Basically, the article pointed out that Romney clearly moved to the right in the Presidential race from his governorship in the left-leaning Massachusetts. He did this to appeal to the evangelicals that seem to control the Republican party. Unfortunately the evangelicals have rejected him because of Mormon theology, which they cannot reconcile. Thus the rise of Huckabee, who is a "true" Christian. Romney could have kept his more moderate Massachusetts political position and found wider appeal amongst those who aren't put off by our "non-Christian religion".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article in the Salt Lake Tribune following Romney&#8217;s speech that struck a note of confirmation with me. Basically, the article pointed out that Romney clearly moved to the right in the Presidential race from his governorship in the left-leaning Massachusetts. He did this to appeal to the evangelicals that seem to control the Republican party. Unfortunately the evangelicals have rejected him because of Mormon theology, which they cannot reconcile. Thus the rise of Huckabee, who is a &#8220;true&#8221; Christian. Romney could have kept his more moderate Massachusetts political position and found wider appeal amongst those who aren&#8217;t put off by our &#8220;non-Christian religion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-32123</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 

I know what you're trying to say. I meant to put a &#62;:p at the end of my comment:)

I guess I'm just worried we members of the church (especially in the U.S.) worry more about finding a way to fit in without compromising our standards instead of seeking "first the kingdom of God" and worry about becoming more Christ-like and let things take care of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, </p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re trying to say. I meant to put a &gt;:p at the end of my comment:)</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m just worried we members of the church (especially in the U.S.) worry more about finding a way to fit in without compromising our standards instead of seeking &#8220;first the kingdom of God&#8221; and worry about becoming more Christ-like and let things take care of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Romney Roundup &#124; Main Street Plaza</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-32120</link>
		<dc:creator>Romney Roundup &#124; Main Street Plaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Times &#38; Seasons provides a list of articles and Nine Moons some commentary. Andrew&#8217;s Miracle Drug is skeptical about Romney&#8217;s exclusion of skeptics while A Bird&#8217;s Eye View sees the speech as pluralistic. My favorites are the feminist Mormon housewives &#8212; who are Christian enough to wonder why the president should have to be Christian, and of course Snarkernacle, who cleverly warned us all to get our posts in early for &#8220;Romsday.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Times &amp; Seasons provides a list of articles and Nine Moons some commentary. Andrew&#8217;s Miracle Drug is skeptical about Romney&#8217;s exclusion of skeptics while A Bird&#8217;s Eye View sees the speech as pluralistic. My favorites are the feminist Mormon housewives &#8212; who are Christian enough to wonder why the president should have to be Christian, and of course Snarkernacle, who cleverly warned us all to get our posts in early for &#8220;Romsday.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-32119</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CL-
Hey, that's not fair. He showed great respect to people of Jewish and Muslim faith.
Yes, I guess it is true that he disregarded atheism, though. So strange to do that in a speech about Faith in God... hmmm.... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL-<br />
Hey, that&#8217;s not fair. He showed great respect to people of Jewish and Muslim faith.<br />
Yes, I guess it is true that he disregarded atheism, though. So strange to do that in a speech about Faith in God&#8230; hmmm&#8230;. <img src='http://www.nine-moons.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-32109</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Show me an atheist who has been rooting for Romney’s win all along, and then we can talk about people getting offended.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn't say any atheists were planning to vote for him -- I agreed with you guys that it is politically expedient for him to throw the non-Christians to the wolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Show me an atheist who has been rooting for Romney’s win all along, and then we can talk about people getting offended.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say any atheists were planning to vote for him &#8212; I agreed with you guys that it is politically expedient for him to throw the non-Christians to the wolves.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-32100</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait! You're saying that atheists won't vote for Mitt Romney? Well, duh! My step-FIL is an atheist, great guy, moral, upstanding citizen, but there's no way he'd &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; vote for Mitt. And it has NOTHING to do with religion or Romney's speech yesterday. 

Show me an atheist who has been rooting for Romney's win all along, and then we can talk about people getting offended. 

btw-
The things he said about our country being founded on faith? True. The fact that he's a faith-driven man? True. Why shouldn't he talk about it? It's important to the majority of the country. I'm not saying that we should ignore the minority (hey, I'm related to some pretty cool atheists!), but if he's going to win the bid, and hopefully (for me!) win the presidency, then he needs to be upfront with himself and the country he may serve. 

madhousewife-
He did write his own speech. No rumor! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait! You&#8217;re saying that atheists won&#8217;t vote for Mitt Romney? Well, duh! My step-FIL is an atheist, great guy, moral, upstanding citizen, but there&#8217;s no way he&#8217;d <em>ever</em> vote for Mitt. And it has NOTHING to do with religion or Romney&#8217;s speech yesterday. </p>
<p>Show me an atheist who has been rooting for Romney&#8217;s win all along, and then we can talk about people getting offended. </p>
<p>btw-<br />
The things he said about our country being founded on faith? True. The fact that he&#8217;s a faith-driven man? True. Why shouldn&#8217;t he talk about it? It&#8217;s important to the majority of the country. I&#8217;m not saying that we should ignore the minority (hey, I&#8217;m related to some pretty cool atheists!), but if he&#8217;s going to win the bid, and hopefully (for me!) win the presidency, then he needs to be upfront with himself and the country he may serve. </p>
<p>madhousewife-<br />
He did write his own speech. No rumor! <img src='http://www.nine-moons.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/12/06/another-post-about-the-speech/#comment-32095</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t understand how you can ask for tolerance and yet fail to give to others because they’re not “mainstream”. A mormon should understand that. And yet he wants others to be accepting of him and tolerant of his religious differences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo.

But you guys are right that it's good strategy for him to define the American political tradition In terms of a "symphony of faith" -- in order to implicitly kick non-believers out the door of the concert hall of discussion. His Evangelical audience will surely be sympathetic to his message of "Don't hate &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;, I hate &lt;em&gt;those guys&lt;/em&gt; just as much as you do!!!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t understand how you can ask for tolerance and yet fail to give to others because they’re not “mainstream”. A mormon should understand that. And yet he wants others to be accepting of him and tolerant of his religious differences.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo.</p>
<p>But you guys are right that it&#8217;s good strategy for him to define the American political tradition In terms of a &#8220;symphony of faith&#8221; &#8212; in order to implicitly kick non-believers out the door of the concert hall of discussion. His Evangelical audience will surely be sympathetic to his message of &#8220;Don&#8217;t hate <em>me</em>, I hate <em>those guys</em> just as much as you do!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret: &lt;em&gt;I always thought we were supposed to be a peculiar people.&lt;/em&gt;

Manuel: &lt;em&gt;It turns out not even Mormons want Mormons to be peculiar anymore.&lt;/em&gt;

Is peculiar the same as abnormal?  Do you think that peculiar people in the sense that Paul was talking about can't be considered normal Americans, that we can't be fully integrated into the societies in which we live?  

What I mean by normal is that we're not odd cultists.  A Mormon engineer builds bridges just like non-mormon engineers.  Mormon politicians serve their constituents just like non-Mormon politicians.  I don't think the admonition to be peculiarly Christlike is an admonition to be odd ducks.

Besides, I'm talking about what we &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt;, not what we should be.  American Mormons are run-of-the-mill Americans.  Hopefully we are unique and better than average in some ways, but whatever uniqueness we have does not make us odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret: <em>I always thought we were supposed to be a peculiar people.</em></p>
<p>Manuel: <em>It turns out not even Mormons want Mormons to be peculiar anymore.</em></p>
<p>Is peculiar the same as abnormal?  Do you think that peculiar people in the sense that Paul was talking about can&#8217;t be considered normal Americans, that we can&#8217;t be fully integrated into the societies in which we live?  </p>
<p>What I mean by normal is that we&#8217;re not odd cultists.  A Mormon engineer builds bridges just like non-mormon engineers.  Mormon politicians serve their constituents just like non-Mormon politicians.  I don&#8217;t think the admonition to be peculiarly Christlike is an admonition to be odd ducks.</p>
<p>Besides, I&#8217;m talking about what we <em>are</em>, not what we should be.  American Mormons are run-of-the-mill Americans.  Hopefully we are unique and better than average in some ways, but whatever uniqueness we have does not make us odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News flash for Bill Bennett.  Giuliani could not give a speech in which he pointed to his family as evidence of his values and morals.  Nor could Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News flash for Bill Bennett.  Giuliani could not give a speech in which he pointed to his family as evidence of his values and morals.  Nor could Hillary.</p>
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