Comments on: Big Love Fallout http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/ Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:09:14 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ElderProdigal http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78890 ElderProdigal Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:32:32 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78890 A, if not the, primary key in marketing is to generate interest in the subject matter. My bet is that this week, more missionaries will get through more doors than in any other week in LDS history. 'Nuff said. A, if not the, primary key in marketing is to generate interest in the subject matter. My bet is that this week, more missionaries will get through more doors than in any other week in LDS history. ‘Nuff said.

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By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78836 Bret Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:05:05 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78836 I hadn't thought of that with the ratings. Thank you. Is that why HBO's shows ALL claim to be brilliant, popular works of art? I actually thought of a comparison to the sacred nature of intimacy during the hubbub last week but didn't know how to articulate it. I'm glad I didn't because how Blake put it is perfect! Thanks for quoting that here. I hadn’t thought of that with the ratings. Thank you. Is that why HBO’s shows ALL claim to be brilliant, popular works of art?

I actually thought of a comparison to the sacred nature of intimacy during the hubbub last week but didn’t know how to articulate it. I’m glad I didn’t because how Blake put it is perfect! Thanks for quoting that here.

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By: MCQ http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78832 MCQ Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:10:23 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78832 This comment was posted by Blake on the Big Love thread at Mormon Mentality. I hope he will forgive my copying it over here. It's just fantastic: <blockquote>HBO drew the line in the wrong place. Here is the essential aspect of context: within the context of the privacy of one’s own bedroom and covenants of faithfulness to protect the procreative potential for human intimacies, human sex is just the best that it gets in this life (in most cases). Precisely because it has such value, the problem with pornography (and out of wedlock sex for that matter) is not that too much is given, but that not enough is given. The value of the intimacy and context is profaned by trading it for something that is not merely of less value, but even dismissive of the value that could be realized. The context of privacy is one aspect; the context of the entire covenant-making-setting with the complete reverence for the capacity to be instructed and learn from personal revelation is the entire point. That entire point is missed — necessarily missed and mucked up — by what HBO did. The temple ceremony was mocked by taking it out of context and using it as a dramatic counterpoint to tell a story that has no meaning to non-Mormons. The rituals can only look confusing and silly from outside of the covenant relationship, just as your sexual acts with your wife are pornographic outside of the interpersonal context in which they have such sacred, even divine, meaning. Thus, the comparison to pornography is apropos. It profanes the sacred, takes out of context the holy and makes the interpersonal level of ritual performances into befuddled nonsense. Rituals have their meaning only within a context. Those outside the context, like anthropologists, are keenly aware of their limitations in entering into the world-view that gives meaning to the performances and rites. What HBO did was sheer peeping-Tom voyerism.</blockquote> This comment was posted by Blake on the Big Love thread at Mormon Mentality. I hope he will forgive my copying it over here. It’s just fantastic:

HBO drew the line in the wrong place. Here is the essential aspect of context: within the context of the privacy of one’s own bedroom and covenants of faithfulness to protect the procreative potential for human intimacies, human sex is just the best that it gets in this life (in most cases). Precisely because it has such value, the problem with pornography (and out of wedlock sex for that matter) is not that too much is given, but that not enough is given. The value of the intimacy and context is profaned by trading it for something that is not merely of less value, but even dismissive of the value that could be realized.

The context of privacy is one aspect; the context of the entire covenant-making-setting with the complete reverence for the capacity to be instructed and learn from personal revelation is the entire point. That entire point is missed — necessarily missed and mucked up — by what HBO did. The temple ceremony was mocked by taking it out of context and using it as a dramatic counterpoint to tell a story that has no meaning to non-Mormons. The rituals can only look confusing and silly from outside of the covenant relationship, just as your sexual acts with your wife are pornographic outside of the interpersonal context in which they have such sacred, even divine, meaning.

Thus, the comparison to pornography is apropos. It profanes the sacred, takes out of context the holy and makes the interpersonal level of ritual performances into befuddled nonsense. Rituals have their meaning only within a context. Those outside the context, like anthropologists, are keenly aware of their limitations in entering into the world-view that gives meaning to the performances and rites. What HBO did was sheer peeping-Tom voyerism.

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By: MCQ http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78829 MCQ Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:56:18 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78829 Interesting thoughts, Jack. Bret, as I understand it, there are no Nielsen ratings for HBO shows because there are no advertisers. Their revenue comes purely from subscriptions, so there is no purpose for the ratings used on broadcast television. I don't know if HBO or the cable companies have any way of tracking how many viewers the show had, or if subscriptions to HBO have increased or decreased, but I have not seen such data. Interesting thoughts, Jack.

Bret, as I understand it, there are no Nielsen ratings for HBO shows because there are no advertisers. Their revenue comes purely from subscriptions, so there is no purpose for the ratings used on broadcast television. I don’t know if HBO or the cable companies have any way of tracking how many viewers the show had, or if subscriptions to HBO have increased or decreased, but I have not seen such data.

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By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78813 Bret Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:18:29 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78813 So you're saying they didn't show the animal sacrifice or blood drinking part? What a pity!>:) I'm curious to see the ratings of this episode over the others. Anyone know? So you’re saying they didn’t show the animal sacrifice or blood drinking part? What a pity!>:)

I’m curious to see the ratings of this episode over the others. Anyone know?

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By: Big Lies of Big Love « Messenger and Advocate http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78805 Big Lies of Big Love « Messenger and Advocate Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:00:17 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78805 [...] Big Love Fallout over at Nine Moons [...] [...] Big Love Fallout over at Nine Moons [...]

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By: CJ Douglass http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78804 CJ Douglass Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:54:55 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78804 Thanks for this MCQ. I agree with your analysis. BTW, I think BJM's thoughts piggyback quite well with this post. <blockquote>You really need not carry on like that though. You’re the freaking Mormon church. According to the media, it was because of you that Proposition 8 passed in the 11th hour, and you did it blindfolded with one arm tied behind your back. It was also your fault that the ERA didn’t pass, screw Phyllis Schlafly. You’re the second wealthiest church in the world (and the only reason the Catholics are richer is because they have 45 times the membership and have been around a lot longer), you have skills at organizing and mobilizing that would have made Caesar cry. HBO should be afraid to piss you off.</blockquote> LOL! Thanks for this MCQ. I agree with your analysis. BTW, I think BJM’s thoughts piggyback quite well with this post.

You really need not carry on like that though. You’re the freaking Mormon church. According to the media, it was because of you that Proposition 8 passed in the 11th hour, and you did it blindfolded with one arm tied behind your back. It was also your fault that the ERA didn’t pass, screw Phyllis Schlafly. You’re the second wealthiest church in the world (and the only reason the Catholics are richer is because they have 45 times the membership and have been around a lot longer), you have skills at organizing and mobilizing that would have made Caesar cry. HBO should be afraid to piss you off.

LOL!

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By: Bridget Jack Meyers http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78795 Bridget Jack Meyers Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:59:26 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78795 I have not seen the episode MCQ, and I don't think I want to. I've only followed the discussion at BCC and T&S, but I'm just shaking my head at the contrived excuse to get Barb into the temple. The writers were concerned about portraying the actual ceremony accurately, down to the signs and tokens, but they weren't concerned about giving Barb a legitimate reason to be there? That seems like accuracy in all the wrong places to me. I blogged my full thoughts <a href="http://clobbergirl.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/temple-phobe-is-not-pleased-with-big-love/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I have not seen the episode MCQ, and I don’t think I want to. I’ve only followed the discussion at BCC and T&S, but I’m just shaking my head at the contrived excuse to get Barb into the temple. The writers were concerned about portraying the actual ceremony accurately, down to the signs and tokens, but they weren’t concerned about giving Barb a legitimate reason to be there? That seems like accuracy in all the wrong places to me.

I blogged my full thoughts here.

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By: MCQ http://www.nine-moons.com/2009/03/16/big-love-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-78787 MCQ Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:38:45 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=937#comment-78787 BTW, the best quote from the episode came from Nikki: "If you need a letter to confirm your faith, then what does that say about your faith?" I thought that was pretty good, in an otherwise pretty bad program. If HBO would stick to the story of the trials of a pretty normal family who just happens to be polygamous, this could be a pretty good show. Obviously, that's not the strategy HBO has decided to pursue. BTW, the best quote from the episode came from Nikki: “If you need a letter to confirm your faith, then what does that say about your faith?”

I thought that was pretty good, in an otherwise pretty bad program. If HBO would stick to the story of the trials of a pretty normal family who just happens to be polygamous, this could be a pretty good show. Obviously, that’s not the strategy HBO has decided to pursue.

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