Comments on: Weighing Our Experiences http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:33:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: anonymous http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150&cpage=1#comment-842 anonymous Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:21:37 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150#comment-842 Old cognitive dissonance. I am not sure this is what I want. Hmmm... how to get out of this? Need an excuse... ahh yes. Someone offended me. Of course. Now I'm out. People who don't "invest" in the church i.e. sacrifice spiritually and temporally usually find themselves out of the church soon enough. I am sure that I have offended and I have been offended but no once can drive me away from what God has given me. Old cognitive dissonance. I am not sure this is what I want. Hmmm… how to get out of this? Need an excuse… ahh yes. Someone offended me. Of course. Now I’m out.

People who don’t “invest” in the church i.e. sacrifice spiritually and temporally usually find themselves out of the church soon enough. I am sure that I have offended and I have been offended but no once can drive me away from what God has given me.

]]> By: don http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150&cpage=1#comment-841 don Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:22:31 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150#comment-841 I think this whole relationship to the people/church is easy to talk about, but when the rubber meets the road it's a lot tougher. The first married ward I was in at BYU is a prime example. I was asked to introduce myself as new to the quroum at priesthood at least 5 or 6 weeks in a row! It was amazing, the ward had cliques, I always felt like no one cared if I was there or not. Of course I continued to go...the church is true...right! But if I knew that I would have been in that ward long term, I'm not sure what I would have done. It's easy for less actives to still feel the have a testimony, believe the church is true and all that and still stay home. Why is going to church such a big deal anyway...I believe in Christ, I have a testimony, etc. I think they think they'll still be ok. Sacrament, tithing, temple etc. just don't seem very important to them. I think this whole relationship to the people/church is easy to talk about, but when the rubber meets the road it’s a lot tougher.

The first married ward I was in at BYU is a prime example. I was asked to introduce myself as new to the quroum at priesthood at least 5 or 6 weeks in a row! It was amazing, the ward had cliques, I always felt like no one cared if I was there or not.

Of course I continued to go…the church is true…right! But if I knew that I would have been in that ward long term, I’m not sure what I would have done.

It’s easy for less actives to still feel the have a testimony, believe the church is true and all that and still stay home.

Why is going to church such a big deal anyway…I believe in Christ, I have a testimony, etc. I think they think they’ll still be ok. Sacrament, tithing, temple etc. just don’t seem very important to them.

]]> By: a random John http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150&cpage=1#comment-840 a random John Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:11:29 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150#comment-840 People who don't really want to be in the church are looking for an excuse to get out of it. Being offended does nicely as you can lay the blame on others both in your own mind and perhaps in the thoughts of those you tell about it. In most cases, when it comes down to it, if you want to be at church you'll be there. "Excuses" is just another word for different priorities. This is not meant to excuse those that give offense. We should try to be careful to not do so. But I will bet that most of the offenders are completely oblivious to the offense and would do all they could to make it right if they knew about it. People who don’t really want to be in the church are looking for an excuse to get out of it. Being offended does nicely as you can lay the blame on others both in your own mind and perhaps in the thoughts of those you tell about it. In most cases, when it comes down to it, if you want to be at church you’ll be there. “Excuses” is just another word for different priorities.

This is not meant to excuse those that give offense. We should try to be careful to not do so. But I will bet that most of the offenders are completely oblivious to the offense and would do all they could to make it right if they knew about it.

]]> By: Rusty http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150&cpage=1#comment-839 Rusty Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:34:51 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150#comment-839 I suspect part of the problem is when the "relationships with people" is the same thing as "relationship with the church". That separation takes many people many years. I suspect part of the problem is when the “relationships with people” is the same thing as “relationship with the church”. That separation takes many people many years.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150&cpage=1#comment-838 J. Stapley Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:58:53 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150#comment-838 There has got to be a world view correction in there somewhere as well. I typically don't get offended, even when I could. Things would have to get pretty bad for me to get offended (probably someone dogging on my wife or kids). But even then, I don't go to church because of the people (though they are nice). I could see not hanging out with the saints, but to disaffect oneself from the church is beyond relationships with people to the relationship one has with the church itself There has got to be a world view correction in there somewhere as well. I typically don’t get offended, even when I could. Things would have to get pretty bad for me to get offended (probably someone dogging on my wife or kids). But even then, I don’t go to church because of the people (though they are nice). I could see not hanging out with the saints, but to disaffect oneself from the church is beyond relationships with people to the relationship one has with the church itself

]]> By: don http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150&cpage=1#comment-837 don Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:14:35 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=150#comment-837 I agree, all our scales are different. I assign huge numbers to offenses. Maybe one of the reasons we don't assign big enough numbers to service is: Service done to us goes in the catagory of "I derserve it", or "It's no big deal", or something else like that. I think we have to be the ones giving the service, then we give ourselves huge numbers. Getting service gets small ones. You're right about the "Organization for Disaffected Mormons". The organization is world-wide however, and has branches everywhere. I agree, all our scales are different. I assign huge numbers to offenses.

Maybe one of the reasons we don’t assign big enough numbers to service is: Service done to us goes in the catagory of “I derserve it”, or “It’s no big deal”, or something else like that.

I think we have to be the ones giving the service, then we give ourselves huge numbers. Getting service gets small ones.

You’re right about the “Organization for Disaffected Mormons”. The organization is world-wide however, and has branches everywhere.

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