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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1535&#038;cpage=2#comment-101475</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Utah Church is mostly a social institution. The percentage of the state&#039;s population who are Doers or the word and not Hearers only is the same as everywhere else.

She believes in Christ and was baptized. Therefore, she is an heir to the Kingdom of Heaven. Pride prevents people from welcoming her as one of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Utah Church is mostly a social institution. The percentage of the state&#8217;s population who are Doers or the word and not Hearers only is the same as everywhere else.</p>
<p>She believes in Christ and was baptized. Therefore, she is an heir to the Kingdom of Heaven. Pride prevents people from welcoming her as one of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Whizzbang</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1535&#038;cpage=2#comment-98081</link>
		<dc:creator>Whizzbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 02:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few thoughts

1) I have a friend who I regularly communicate with and I adore them. I ask how Church is going for them and they either don&#039;t answer or change the subject. I suspect they aren;t attending anymore. What hurts me more then that is that they might be thinking I will reject them if they talk about it, like they can&#039;t confide in me their problems or issues as to why they aren&#039;t going. I wish SO MUCH they would just talk to me.

2) Recently our ward had some people quit, which is their choice. Rather then leave quietly and move on with their life they decided to attack members on a social media site. It has almost gotten to the point of harrasment. Like if the Church isn&#039;t for you then don&#039;t come, but just stop the vitriol and the childish behaviours, my word!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few thoughts</p>
<p>1) I have a friend who I regularly communicate with and I adore them. I ask how Church is going for them and they either don&#8217;t answer or change the subject. I suspect they aren;t attending anymore. What hurts me more then that is that they might be thinking I will reject them if they talk about it, like they can&#8217;t confide in me their problems or issues as to why they aren&#8217;t going. I wish SO MUCH they would just talk to me.</p>
<p>2) Recently our ward had some people quit, which is their choice. Rather then leave quietly and move on with their life they decided to attack members on a social media site. It has almost gotten to the point of harrasment. Like if the Church isn&#8217;t for you then don&#8217;t come, but just stop the vitriol and the childish behaviours, my word!</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are good insights CJ.  It&#039;s clearly wrong to ostracize friends or family that leave, but we need to have some patience for those who struggle in that situation.  For some, hearing that a person they care deeply about doesn&#039;t believe anymore is horrifying, and feels like a personal rejection.  The least we can do is show some understanding when their reactions are not what we hope for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are good insights CJ.  It&#8217;s clearly wrong to ostracize friends or family that leave, but we need to have some patience for those who struggle in that situation.  For some, hearing that a person they care deeply about doesn&#8217;t believe anymore is horrifying, and feels like a personal rejection.  The least we can do is show some understanding when their reactions are not what we hope for.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1535&#038;cpage=2#comment-96984</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 things:

1. Our treatment of those that leave has to be counted as one of the 7 deadly Mormon sins that we are all (to some degree) in need of some redemption from. I&#039;ve had my fair share of judgmental behavior and have been trying to change.  

2. Its such a problem, that I&#039;ve had a couple good friends leave and &lt;em&gt;assume&lt;/em&gt; that I would cut ties. It offended me at first (don&#039;t they know me!?) but realize its understandable when you see it happen to others. 

3. Especially in areas with few Mormons, the ward/branch community can be incredibly close-knit and supportive. Feelings of betrayal are understandable (not excusable) when someone leaves the tribe. 

4. Also, in defense of the accused, as many verses from Jesus telling us to love our neighbor (and enemy!), there are as many versus that support ostracization.(wheat and tares? sheep and goats?) Now, I love Jesus and believe his central theme is love, but let&#039;s be careful when we throw out the &quot;obviously, Jesus taught...&quot; line. A compilation of all that Jesus taught is much more complicated than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 things:</p>
<p>1. Our treatment of those that leave has to be counted as one of the 7 deadly Mormon sins that we are all (to some degree) in need of some redemption from. I&#8217;ve had my fair share of judgmental behavior and have been trying to change.  </p>
<p>2. Its such a problem, that I&#8217;ve had a couple good friends leave and <em>assume</em> that I would cut ties. It offended me at first (don&#8217;t they know me!?) but realize its understandable when you see it happen to others. </p>
<p>3. Especially in areas with few Mormons, the ward/branch community can be incredibly close-knit and supportive. Feelings of betrayal are understandable (not excusable) when someone leaves the tribe. </p>
<p>4. Also, in defense of the accused, as many verses from Jesus telling us to love our neighbor (and enemy!), there are as many versus that support ostracization.(wheat and tares? sheep and goats?) Now, I love Jesus and believe his central theme is love, but let&#8217;s be careful when we throw out the &#8220;obviously, Jesus taught&#8230;&#8221; line. A compilation of all that Jesus taught is much more complicated than that.</p>
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		<title>By: mfranti</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1535&#038;cpage=2#comment-96962</link>
		<dc:creator>mfranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, Thank you for sharing your story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, Thank you for sharing your story.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1535&#038;cpage=2#comment-96960</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my son left the Church about 6 months ago, I was shocked. 6 months prior to that he was being released as a faithful missionary, zone leader, and someone I felt would raise a family of his own in righteousness.

It hurt worse than anything I had previously experienced. I wish I could say that I handled it perfectly but I didn&#039;t. We spent several months debating principles and doctrines. There were a few instances where we raised our voices to one another - not out of control, but we both knew that the other one wasn&#039;t happy. It took me awhile to learn how to deal with this new reality. And now our relationship seems to be doing much better.

I can honestly say that I have never stopped loving him. I have always supported his right to make certain choices. And most of the LDS I know who have gone through similar situations have reacted in a similar way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my son left the Church about 6 months ago, I was shocked. 6 months prior to that he was being released as a faithful missionary, zone leader, and someone I felt would raise a family of his own in righteousness.</p>
<p>It hurt worse than anything I had previously experienced. I wish I could say that I handled it perfectly but I didn&#8217;t. We spent several months debating principles and doctrines. There were a few instances where we raised our voices to one another &#8211; not out of control, but we both knew that the other one wasn&#8217;t happy. It took me awhile to learn how to deal with this new reality. And now our relationship seems to be doing much better.</p>
<p>I can honestly say that I have never stopped loving him. I have always supported his right to make certain choices. And most of the LDS I know who have gone through similar situations have reacted in a similar way.</p>
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		<title>By: KLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug Hudson you should go back and read more carefully between your affected internet coughing.  Ardis is judging no one, she is condemning no one.  She honestly admitted that her relative&#039;s decision grieved her but that her grief has not translated into rudeness, condemnation or judging.  That is about as far from hypocrisy as you can get.

If your mother and father called you up one day and announced that they were divorcing would you feel sad, maybe even betrayed?  But if you were trying to follow Christ&#039;s example would you try to rise above those visceral feelings and not let them pollute your actions toward them?  Family and friends leaving the church is more like a divorce than a decision to take a new job or buy a new house.  Changes with that kind of emotional impact will always create strong emotions and feelings.  It is how we deal with those feelings that defines who we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Hudson you should go back and read more carefully between your affected internet coughing.  Ardis is judging no one, she is condemning no one.  She honestly admitted that her relative&#8217;s decision grieved her but that her grief has not translated into rudeness, condemnation or judging.  That is about as far from hypocrisy as you can get.</p>
<p>If your mother and father called you up one day and announced that they were divorcing would you feel sad, maybe even betrayed?  But if you were trying to follow Christ&#8217;s example would you try to rise above those visceral feelings and not let them pollute your actions toward them?  Family and friends leaving the church is more like a divorce than a decision to take a new job or buy a new house.  Changes with that kind of emotional impact will always create strong emotions and feelings.  It is how we deal with those feelings that defines who we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to not try to judge either side in family issues like this. Families have their own dynamic and who knows what is going on under the surface to cause the reactions we see externally. 

Offer support and love for your friend, but be cautious not to judge or condemn the family while doing it.
It&#039;s hard to understand the undercurrents in a family you are not a part of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to not try to judge either side in family issues like this. Families have their own dynamic and who knows what is going on under the surface to cause the reactions we see externally. </p>
<p>Offer support and love for your friend, but be cautious not to judge or condemn the family while doing it.<br />
It&#8217;s hard to understand the undercurrents in a family you are not a part of.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We often forget that everyone has their agency. We do not enjoy watching people explore other options and &quot;falling away&quot; (as many would call it). We tend to force our shared beliefs back on those who used to have similar beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We often forget that everyone has their agency. We do not enjoy watching people explore other options and &#8220;falling away&#8221; (as many would call it). We tend to force our shared beliefs back on those who used to have similar beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: TSteed</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSteed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God gave us a commandment to NOT JUDGE OTHERS. That is His job and if we let Him do His job than we wont have to worry about what others are doing or not doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God gave us a commandment to NOT JUDGE OTHERS. That is His job and if we let Him do His job than we wont have to worry about what others are doing or not doing.</p>
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