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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1555&#038;cpage=1#comment-98443</link>
		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;faithful, probably doesn’t include those who say, “She/He is nice, but not good looking enough to tempt me.” or otherwise refusing to accept someone because of their various imperfections. To me, that’s basically showing an unwillingness to forgive someone, but it’s even worse as they aren’t requiring any forgiveness for simply not being “sexy” enough (a false contruct of society that we buy into and incorporate into our consciousness).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ridiculous.  You aren&#039;t required to accept someone just because they are willing to marry you.  How about if you just don&#039;t love that person?  Is that a failure to forgive as well?  

I would much rather have someone tell me that they don&#039;t love me (whatever the reason) and send me on my way than try to be with me out of a sense of duty, or because they don&#039;t want to be thought superficial.  There are such things as &quot;attraction&quot; and &quot;love.&quot;  

You may say someone isn&#039;t sexy or isn&#039;t attractive enough, but what you really mean is that you just don&#039;t love that person.  If that&#039;s the case, then you shouldn&#039;t marry them, whatever their other qualities might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>faithful, probably doesn’t include those who say, “She/He is nice, but not good looking enough to tempt me.” or otherwise refusing to accept someone because of their various imperfections. To me, that’s basically showing an unwillingness to forgive someone, but it’s even worse as they aren’t requiring any forgiveness for simply not being “sexy” enough (a false contruct of society that we buy into and incorporate into our consciousness).</p></blockquote>
<p>Ridiculous.  You aren&#8217;t required to accept someone just because they are willing to marry you.  How about if you just don&#8217;t love that person?  Is that a failure to forgive as well?  </p>
<p>I would much rather have someone tell me that they don&#8217;t love me (whatever the reason) and send me on my way than try to be with me out of a sense of duty, or because they don&#8217;t want to be thought superficial.  There are such things as &#8220;attraction&#8221; and &#8220;love.&#8221;  </p>
<p>You may say someone isn&#8217;t sexy or isn&#8217;t attractive enough, but what you really mean is that you just don&#8217;t love that person.  If that&#8217;s the case, then you shouldn&#8217;t marry them, whatever their other qualities might be.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew above quotes the handbook - &quot;and that “faithful” does not exclude “haven’t found anyone yet”.&quot;

Just wanted to add my 2-cents in that faithful, probably doesn&#039;t include those who say, &quot;She/He is nice, but not good looking enough to tempt me.&quot; or otherwise refusing to accept someone because of their various imperfections. To me, that&#039;s basically showing an unwillingness to forgive someone, but it&#039;s even worse as they aren&#039;t requiring any forgiveness for simply not being &quot;sexy&quot; enough (a false contruct of society that we buy into and incorporate into our consciousness).

Of course, in any case, I am perfectly ok with eternal progression through the kingdoms so even those LDS who have convinced themselves they have no opportunity to marry for superficial reasons would still be able to work past that, but it wouldn&#039;t be easy, and because the possibility exists doesn&#039;t mean it would happen as often as we suppose (or maybe it does). I&#039;m just saying, it&#039;s not like the lights just turn on beyond the veil and we become a changed person with a full understanding. We still have to earn that line upon line.

Of course, everything I said could and probably would equally apply to a married couple -- we have so many hang-ups and issues that disqualify us from being fully considered &quot;faithful&quot; that we&#039;ll have to progress and work beyond those as well. But whatever light and knowledge and faith we gain in this life, so much the better then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew above quotes the handbook &#8211; &#8220;and that “faithful” does not exclude “haven’t found anyone yet”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just wanted to add my 2-cents in that faithful, probably doesn&#8217;t include those who say, &#8220;She/He is nice, but not good looking enough to tempt me.&#8221; or otherwise refusing to accept someone because of their various imperfections. To me, that&#8217;s basically showing an unwillingness to forgive someone, but it&#8217;s even worse as they aren&#8217;t requiring any forgiveness for simply not being &#8220;sexy&#8221; enough (a false contruct of society that we buy into and incorporate into our consciousness).</p>
<p>Of course, in any case, I am perfectly ok with eternal progression through the kingdoms so even those LDS who have convinced themselves they have no opportunity to marry for superficial reasons would still be able to work past that, but it wouldn&#8217;t be easy, and because the possibility exists doesn&#8217;t mean it would happen as often as we suppose (or maybe it does). I&#8217;m just saying, it&#8217;s not like the lights just turn on beyond the veil and we become a changed person with a full understanding. We still have to earn that line upon line.</p>
<p>Of course, everything I said could and probably would equally apply to a married couple &#8212; we have so many hang-ups and issues that disqualify us from being fully considered &#8220;faithful&#8221; that we&#8217;ll have to progress and work beyond those as well. But whatever light and knowledge and faith we gain in this life, so much the better then.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1555&#038;cpage=1#comment-98183</link>
		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 03:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  Resistance is futile.  Marry or be assimilated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  Resistance is futile.  Marry or be assimilated.</p>
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		<title>By: Randi</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1555&#038;cpage=1#comment-98131</link>
		<dc:creator>Randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, it&#039;s not so much that it&#039;s doctrine, it&#039;s that that&#039;s the mindset of so many people in the church--men go out and choose someone and women wait to be chosen. 

What, a woman can&#039;t be single by choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, it&#8217;s not so much that it&#8217;s doctrine, it&#8217;s that that&#8217;s the mindset of so many people in the church&#8211;men go out and choose someone and women wait to be chosen. </p>
<p>What, a woman can&#8217;t be single by choice?</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, but Elder Scott is about 1000 years old.  Of course he looks at it that way.  But he&#039;s not announcing doctrine.  Or at least, not on that particular point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, but Elder Scott is about 1000 years old.  Of course he looks at it that way.  But he&#8217;s not announcing doctrine.  Or at least, not on that particular point.</p>
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		<title>By: mfranti</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elder Scott said marriage provides an ideal setting for overcoming any tendency to be selfish or self-centered. &quot;I think one of the reasons that we are counseled to get married early in life is to avoid developing inappropriate character traits that are hard to change,&quot; he said. &quot;I feel sorry for any man who hasn&#039;t yet made the choice to seek an eternal companion and my heart weeps for the sisters who haven&#039;t had the opportunity to marry.&quot;

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/60749/Elder-Richard-G-Scott-The-eternal-blessings-of-marriage.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elder Scott said marriage provides an ideal setting for overcoming any tendency to be selfish or self-centered. &#8220;I think one of the reasons that we are counseled to get married early in life is to avoid developing inappropriate character traits that are hard to change,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I feel sorry for any man who hasn&#8217;t yet made the choice to seek an eternal companion and my heart weeps for the sisters who haven&#8217;t had the opportunity to marry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie S</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1555&#038;cpage=1#comment-97785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was in Young Womens, the bishop&#039;s son always used to joke that he wasn&#039;t getting married until after he died because &quot;then all the girls up there are perfect.&quot; He was joking, obviously, but it&#039;s always felt like an equal-opportunity promise to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was in Young Womens, the bishop&#8217;s son always used to joke that he wasn&#8217;t getting married until after he died because &#8220;then all the girls up there are perfect.&#8221; He was joking, obviously, but it&#8217;s always felt like an equal-opportunity promise to me.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverRain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I add my voice to mfranti. What exactly is &quot;due diligence,&quot; Nate? Inquiring minds want to know.

I rather like the old-fashioned social structure. I used to think it was only fair for the girl to work as hard at &quot;pursuing&quot; the guy as he did at pursuing her, but after seeing the lack of energy in most guys around my age, I&#039;ve changed my mind.

I think the current problem is that guys DON&#039;T chase enough, and expect the women to flock to their doorsteps. And, sadly, we do.

If I ever marry again, it will be because the guy is man enough to take more initiative than simply expressing interest.

As for the question in the OP, I think that (like with women) it will depend on why they didn&#039;t have an opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I add my voice to mfranti. What exactly is &#8220;due diligence,&#8221; Nate? Inquiring minds want to know.</p>
<p>I rather like the old-fashioned social structure. I used to think it was only fair for the girl to work as hard at &#8220;pursuing&#8221; the guy as he did at pursuing her, but after seeing the lack of energy in most guys around my age, I&#8217;ve changed my mind.</p>
<p>I think the current problem is that guys DON&#8217;T chase enough, and expect the women to flock to their doorsteps. And, sadly, we do.</p>
<p>If I ever marry again, it will be because the guy is man enough to take more initiative than simply expressing interest.</p>
<p>As for the question in the OP, I think that (like with women) it will depend on why they didn&#8217;t have an opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: mfranti</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate,

I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re joking or not. If you&#039;re not, what exactly does it take to get a man? What is due diligence?

I&#039;m sure there&#039;s lots of women who want to know. 


So now that women aren&#039;t a man&#039;s property, to be bought and sold and &quot;kept&quot;, can we dispense with the idea that proper women don&#039;t pursue (I hate that term) men? 

finding a mate, a good match that is, takes time. I&#039;ll never understand why people are in such a hurry to pair up for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re joking or not. If you&#8217;re not, what exactly does it take to get a man? What is due diligence?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s lots of women who want to know. </p>
<p>So now that women aren&#8217;t a man&#8217;s property, to be bought and sold and &#8220;kept&#8221;, can we dispense with the idea that proper women don&#8217;t pursue (I hate that term) men? </p>
<p>finding a mate, a good match that is, takes time. I&#8217;ll never understand why people are in such a hurry to pair up for life.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is that it is about time ladies and men worked out their OWN salvation in this area.

If you do not do what is necessary to get a man (within reason and the boundaries of the Church), and deal with that in a realistic way, can you really say you have done your due diligence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is that it is about time ladies and men worked out their OWN salvation in this area.</p>
<p>If you do not do what is necessary to get a man (within reason and the boundaries of the Church), and deal with that in a realistic way, can you really say you have done your due diligence?</p>
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