Comments on: Would Captain Moroni Get Released From His Calling Too?

By: annegb

annegb — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:09:26 +0000

Just saw this, sorry, Mcq. You know, I was surprised at all the animosity toward the FOS fundraising attempts. Heartened, in a way, because I always think my negative opinions are just part of my flawed personality. Thanks for this post.

By: MCQ

MCQ — Sat, 01 Oct 2011 03:35:10 +0000

I put Eagle Scout on my resume up through law school. It seemed a little silly to keep it on there after that.

As far as Young Womanhod and Duty to God awards go, I have seen both on resumes and I support them being there. Even if you have to explain what it is, so what? If you worked hard for it and are proud of your acheivement, it just gives you the opportunity to toot your own horn. Nothing wrong with that.

By: cantinflas

cantinflas — Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:32:32 +0000

I just remembered this post and thought I’d check in, only to see I’d been pounced on as soon as I left!

ESO – I said, pretty directly, that the benefit is there and would disappear for young men if the church divorced itself from BSA, and that I would support the divorce. I didn’t say in my best hand-wringing voice “What would the young men do to impress people then!?” Why the acrimony?

Mark B. – Others already answered, but the requirements for Eagle are rigorous and nationally recognized. What 18 year old wouldn’t put it on their resume if they’d earned it?

By: Glenn Smith

Glenn Smith — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:51:36 +0000

For several years our Canadian ward shared the annual Scout registration fee with the boy. Our fund raising projects paid half and the boy (parents) paid half. The fee then was around $45.00. More recently, our stake pays the whole fee, thus all eleigible boys are registered. This summer, we held a combination Scout / Aaronic Priesthood Camp based on Helaman and the Stripling Warriers. It was great. Our Alberta Scout camps are in great shape, with lots of program choices. {We will host the national jamboree in 2013}.

We do not have an FOS program that is pushed by the Church. I was troubled by the Bp and SP pressure to participate. Like Ardis, I feel there i9s more to the story than is public so far.

By: Nate S.

Nate S. — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:35:26 +0000

MCQ, no, in my somewhat limited experience I have not, nor have I heard of it happening. And, if it were to happen, I suppose I would be glad that the Scouts picked up on something that could be an issue down the road. But, it does result in some delay (2-4 weeks) in effectuating the calling as forms need to be completed and the Scouts do their thing.

I use the phrase as a passive-aggressive way of voicing my displeasure with the church outsourcing the “activity arm” of the YM organization, which inevitably results in more administrative burdens on my end — training, meetings, forms and permits. I’d much rather spend my time ministering the YM than administering the program. My uninformed opinion is that we do it for the insurance benefits.

By: Eric

Eric — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:31:53 +0000

I said:

… if I had done what the Young Men leader did, I would expect to be released. The release shouldn’t have come as a surprise.

To which Michael apparently jumped to some conclusions about my perspective:

… Do you believe that once the stake president has spoken the thinking has been done?

Absolutely not.

Just to be clear, based on what I know, I think the Young Men leader did the right thing. And while I do believe that someone who does something like that can expect to be released, I never said, nor did I suggest, that he should have been released.

By: Manuel

Manuel — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:56:50 +0000

Thanks for posting this. I always support the program thinking the money is somehow benefiting the little ones in my ward. I had no clue of how it works and the salaries of the people at the top.

I have become a tad bit more cynical… :(

By: Clean Cut

Clean Cut — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 03:30:30 +0000

My hat went off to the YM president in the Tribune article–and also to MCQ for this post.

By: MCQ

MCQ — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:17:25 +0000

Nate, that is technically true, but have you ever heard of a YM leader being turned down by the scouts?

By: Nate S.

Nate S. — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:46:16 +0000

I’m currently the YM President in my ward and, as a result, a reluctant supporter of scouting. Fortunately, our Scout Master is on the ball, because if it were left up to me, the merit badges and the Order of the Arrow would go by the wayside.

One thing that has always bugged me about Scouting is that all the YM callings need the BSA’s approval. I always tease my bishop, who is an ardent supporter of the Scouts, that we need to change Preisdent Monson’s statement to “Whom the Lord calls, he qualifies, so long as the Scouts approve.”