So what were our past choices (the ones before this life) based on? Were they also wholly determined by our prior experiences? If so, when did we ever have choice that was not determined by prior experiences?
Or are you implying that we had free will prior to this probation but don’t have it here? If we could make choices not caused by prior experiences there why can’t we do so here too?]]>
You seem to be flip-flopping between determinism and free will. If we are wholly determined by our past experiences and other external factors (and many people do believe this) then there is no free will — our every action is caused by prior events. If there is even some free will then we must have the ability to make self-caused choices that are independent of all external causes. We must have the ability to act rather than just react to our genes, passions, environment, history, etc.
BTW — I have posted on this subject in the past by positing that the “natural man” is the causally determined man and that we are only truly righteous when we use our free will to be better than that which comes naturally to us.]]>
I think who we were in the pre-existence has a lot to do with who we are now. I believe we have been placed in certain situations according to what happened.
However, we have not yet gained our “inheritance.” I would believe David, Solomon, Jonah, etc., were possibly a few of the “noble” ones who also made choices that were contrary to who they were.
However, there was, of course, Saul/Paul who didn’t have much choice but to become a Prophet–but it was still his choice.]]>
Last Lemming: you said, “The actual choices are then the result of random quantum fluctuations in our brains.” Interesting…but if that is the case then in fact all choices are either random, or random with prequalifications. If random then we really have no choice. If prequalifications are made based on who we really are (as I proposed) then we prequalify down to such a finite level that we in fact did make the choice (based on my proposal).]]>
It would mean 1) that you are a determinist and 2) that there is no such thing as free will.
The good news is that you are wrong.]]>
Actually, before our baptisms, we were all free agents. Now that we have been baptized, we are no longer free agents because we have become “disciples of someone” (as Silus puts it).
But,we still retain our free will, which I think is what Don is really talking about. This is indeed a tough one. I have seen arguments that our choices are not fully determined by our experiences, but rather the probabilities of our making certain choices are what is determined by our experiences. The actual choices are then the result of random quantum fluctuations in our brains. This is still speculative, scientifically, but I have a hard time refuting it. And it is not much more comforting that pure determinism.]]>