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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3045</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DKL: &lt;i&gt;People would start talking about spiritual stuff and I&#039;d just sit very still, fold my arms, squint, and offer the occasional thoughtful nod.&lt;/i&gt;

Must... Not... Make... Joke...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DKL: <i>People would start talking about spiritual stuff and I&#8217;d just sit very still, fold my arms, squint, and offer the occasional thoughtful nod.</i></p>
<p>Must&#8230; Not&#8230; Make&#8230; Joke&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DKL</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3044</link>
		<dc:creator>DKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any advice. I&#039;ve been in YM for the past few years (except for the short period when I was WML and then called back into YM after only 8 weeks, thus constituting the 2nd time I got sent back from my mission). Now, I&#039;m back in EQ, attending for the first time just this past week. We&#039;ll see how the lessons go.

And years ago, when I used to attend EQ before being in YM, if the lessons were boring then I was part of the problem. People would start talking about spiritual stuff and I&#039;d just sit very still, fold my arms, squint, and offer the occasional thoughtful nod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any advice. I&#8217;ve been in YM for the past few years (except for the short period when I was WML and then called back into YM after only 8 weeks, thus constituting the 2nd time I got sent back from my mission). Now, I&#8217;m back in EQ, attending for the first time just this past week. We&#8217;ll see how the lessons go.</p>
<p>And years ago, when I used to attend EQ before being in YM, if the lessons were boring then I was part of the problem. People would start talking about spiritual stuff and I&#8217;d just sit very still, fold my arms, squint, and offer the occasional thoughtful nod.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3043</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok ok, your right. Singles wards do have better lessons (in general) than married wards. Anyway, now that I look at that I think my complaint was more towards how I don&#039;t like that Gospel Doctrine has so much the better lessons then EQ. I was just complaining about the recent bout of lessons in my present ward and it isn&#039;t my place to do so here. Sorry. No more threadjacking by me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok ok, your right. Singles wards do have better lessons (in general) than married wards. Anyway, now that I look at that I think my complaint was more towards how I don&#8217;t like that Gospel Doctrine has so much the better lessons then EQ. I was just complaining about the recent bout of lessons in my present ward and it isn&#8217;t my place to do so here. Sorry. No more threadjacking by me!</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3042</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie,

It gets worse, but more complaining about specifics on my part probably isn&#039;t going to solve the problem.  I only brought that up to illustrate the depth of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie,</p>
<p>It gets worse, but more complaining about specifics on my part probably isn&#8217;t going to solve the problem.  I only brought that up to illustrate the depth of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3041</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arJ, yikes, the Super Bowl?  That teacher is so in trouble.  At that point, yes, hijacking is justified - necessary, even.  I hope the EQP took some action after that week.  Ours has trouble with teachers just showing up on their week.

Don&#039;t they just sleep in High Priests meeting?  &quot;Well, brethren, Edith and I... blah blah blah... zzzzzzzzz...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arJ, yikes, the Super Bowl?  That teacher is so in trouble.  At that point, yes, hijacking is justified &#8211; necessary, even.  I hope the EQP took some action after that week.  Ours has trouble with teachers just showing up on their week.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t they just sleep in High Priests meeting?  &#8220;Well, brethren, Edith and I&#8230; blah blah blah&#8230; zzzzzzzzz&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
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		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark B,

I was joking.  I was actually glad to avoid that, especially given that a member of the HC was actively campaigning for me to be put on the HC.  Mostly because he liked my talks.  Ugh.  I think I would die in the HP meetings.  Though at the moment I have a hard time imagining how they would be worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark B,</p>
<p>I was joking.  I was actually glad to avoid that, especially given that a member of the HC was actively campaigning for me to be put on the HC.  Mostly because he liked my talks.  Ugh.  I think I would die in the HP meetings.  Though at the moment I have a hard time imagining how they would be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arJ:  That last comment to skl suggests that your problems would be solved once you move into the scintillating world of the high priests group.

Let me tell you a little secret . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arJ:  That last comment to skl suggests that your problems would be solved once you move into the scintillating world of the high priests group.</p>
<p>Let me tell you a little secret . . .</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3038</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie,

I&#039;m tempted to say that the teacher that made it clear he wanted to discuss the Super Bowl for an hour was actively driving the spirit out of the class and that there wasn&#039;t much I could do outside of leaving to recapture it.  But I agree that I should sincerely pray for the teachers and for myself.  I also agree that hijacking is fraught with difficulties.  Not the least of which is that I am new in the ward and don&#039;t want everyone&#039;s first impression to be that I am some sort of know-it-all jerk.  They&#039;ll figure that out soon enough.

Rusty,

I do wonder if there are aspects of Utah church that make it more prone to bad teaching.  I think there are more cultural Mormons here that are going out of habit or for social reasons rather than out of conviction.  That said, Utah doesn&#039;t have a monopoly on this aspect of church by any means.

skl,

Thanks for you kind words.  Maybe if we had stayed around for a bit longer they would have made me a High Priest (at 31 I think I was the oldest Elder in the ward) and that would have solved my problem when I got back to Utah.

ed,

Doesn&#039;t the presidency have the first Sunday lessons in your ward?  First Sunday should be any topic you select.  Fourth Sunday are the Teaching For Our Times things.

Bret,

I am more than willing to admit that my singles ward experience was not the norm.  Also, it was limited to one ward so I don&#039;t have a large sample size.  The lessons were generally very good with the possible exception of the ones I taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tempted to say that the teacher that made it clear he wanted to discuss the Super Bowl for an hour was actively driving the spirit out of the class and that there wasn&#8217;t much I could do outside of leaving to recapture it.  But I agree that I should sincerely pray for the teachers and for myself.  I also agree that hijacking is fraught with difficulties.  Not the least of which is that I am new in the ward and don&#8217;t want everyone&#8217;s first impression to be that I am some sort of know-it-all jerk.  They&#8217;ll figure that out soon enough.</p>
<p>Rusty,</p>
<p>I do wonder if there are aspects of Utah church that make it more prone to bad teaching.  I think there are more cultural Mormons here that are going out of habit or for social reasons rather than out of conviction.  That said, Utah doesn&#8217;t have a monopoly on this aspect of church by any means.</p>
<p>skl,</p>
<p>Thanks for you kind words.  Maybe if we had stayed around for a bit longer they would have made me a High Priest (at 31 I think I was the oldest Elder in the ward) and that would have solved my problem when I got back to Utah.</p>
<p>ed,</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t the presidency have the first Sunday lessons in your ward?  First Sunday should be any topic you select.  Fourth Sunday are the Teaching For Our Times things.</p>
<p>Bret,</p>
<p>I am more than willing to admit that my singles ward experience was not the norm.  Also, it was limited to one ward so I don&#8217;t have a large sample size.  The lessons were generally very good with the possible exception of the ones I taught.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty, absolutely.  Boring teachers aren&#039;t just a Utah thing.  

I have a problem with the hijacking thing.  Being called as a teacher can be scary, particularly if you hate public speaking.  These guys may be doing their best just to get through the lesson.  The last thing they need is someone who could teach circles around them trying to take over.  

On the other hand, as someone who knows how to teach, it&#039;s tough to listen to someone who either can&#039;t or won&#039;t take the time to make the material interesting or meaningful.  But that&#039;s the job of the listener - to help bring the Spirit into the classroom.

My advice would be to pray for these teachers (what a novel thought!).  You might include a prayer for yourself, to be more humble and teachable.  Let your pride go.  When I don&#039;t enjoy or &quot;get anything out of&quot; a lesson, I consider the fault to be mine, at least partially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty, absolutely.  Boring teachers aren&#8217;t just a Utah thing.  </p>
<p>I have a problem with the hijacking thing.  Being called as a teacher can be scary, particularly if you hate public speaking.  These guys may be doing their best just to get through the lesson.  The last thing they need is someone who could teach circles around them trying to take over.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, as someone who knows how to teach, it&#8217;s tough to listen to someone who either can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t take the time to make the material interesting or meaningful.  But that&#8217;s the job of the listener &#8211; to help bring the Spirit into the classroom.</p>
<p>My advice would be to pray for these teachers (what a novel thought!).  You might include a prayer for yourself, to be more humble and teachable.  Let your pride go.  When I don&#8217;t enjoy or &#8220;get anything out of&#8221; a lesson, I consider the fault to be mine, at least partially.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=244&#038;cpage=1#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARJ,
Dude, that&#039;s a toughy. It&#039;s definitely not a Utah thing though. It just completely depends on the teachers. EQ isn&#039;t inherently boring, just some teachers are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARJ,<br />
Dude, that&#8217;s a toughy. It&#8217;s definitely not a Utah thing though. It just completely depends on the teachers. EQ isn&#8217;t inherently boring, just some teachers are.</p>
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