Actually it is difficult to find something new to discuss, or at least a new viewpoint. Most common things have been blogged to death by now.
give me some more ideas….see where it takes us.]]>
However, if it is possible to have good discussion around the things that really matter, I’d love to participate. I see a recent posting from Rusty which indicates he is getting burned out with this.
I’m glad to see our discussion about the welfare mentality in church took hold. I agree with your comments. I don’t think the issue is should we or shouldn’t we offer such services; some people truly need them. The issue is that we should structure the environment in the church such that people are not dependent on others, as much as possible. Clearly this is not always possible but it should be the goal. Unfortunately we introduce people to the church by offering them rides to church, moving help to their next apartment, welfare assistance as a ‘perk’, etc. We need a return to some of that 19th century Brigham Young spirit of independence.
Maybe we should look at it as a problem of resources. We have limited human resources in each ward. When we squander those resources with EQ presidents calling around, getting movers, people actually doing the moving, etc. we divert resources which could be used on people who really need them. I recall in my ward in NY a man who had recently received his PhD and was moving in to teach at the university. We helped him move in. He moved out a few years later to do a sabbatical. He received help to move out and back in a year later. I’ve heard he is moving out this summer. He is a well-paid professional and should pay for his own moves or ask close friends to help, not rely on EQ Moving, Inc.
Yet I’m always in awe of those silent workers in the ward, like my bishop of that ward. Busiest guy I know, yet shows up at moves like that, yet when he had to move last year, asked no one for help and paid movers to do most of the big work. I’m just a whiner.
On the other hand, I served as compassionate service for years and find that this type of people are in the minority. They exist in every ward, but usually the circumstances of those needing help arise quite suddenly.
There is nothing more wonderful than being able to in some way assuage the grief a parent feels, or to reach out when a young father gets a diagnosis of cancer.
Our task as Christians and the blessed among the world is to reach out to others and help. There is a difference between the leeches and those who genuinely need the help.
And guess what? I usually help the leeches, because you never know. I like the saying “if you must err, err in mercy.”
Although, I have no trouble looking at the sister who forgot to pack before we got there and saying “Geez, Susan, what have you been doing all week?”]]>
I agree that we enable dependence on the church & its members, and get taken advantage of often – but am not sure there is a clear solution. Ater all haven’t we been taught it is better to give to 10 who are un-worthy than turn away the 1 worthy?]]>
Any middle-class family with the least bit of preparedness should be able to do as well as we did given the situation.]]>
I think you expect too much of the home teachers, etc.
He suggested that the women should have made meals in advance for her family and put them in the freezer. He also suggested that the husband was perfectly capable of fixing meals.
Indeed. One should never expect love, or care, or kindness.]]>
The problem isn’t having to provide for others in need, it’s providing for those who can manage the work themselves and/or EXPECT charitable help from others. Service from your fellow men isn’t a right, it’s a privilege and should always be viewed as such.
I think Paul has a good point too in that we could spend our time looking for and helping those who are in REAL need of our service rather than on those who could do the work themselves or expect our help. If they need the help, great. If you just want to ease someone’s burden by making a meal for them, great. But don’t expect it.]]>
Some people may be ungracious about the help and be controlling and demanding but that’s a problem with their attitude, not the church’s. Anyway, it’s not our job to judge if someone is “worthy” of our help or not; it’s just our job to give what aid we can. “Even as ye do unto the least of these, my bretheren, ye have done it unto me.” If they’ve taken unfair advantage then that’s between them and the Lord. But every little thing I do for someone, needed or not, is also between me and the Lord. On which side would you rather be?]]>
It might be just meals and boxes, but it’s a welfare attitude when we teach the members to expect it!]]>