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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-3926</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how you can say that being a Christian dosen&#039;t affect what your politial views are..the issues man, c&#039;mon.  Abortion, I know that this is an easy one but it&#039;s so clear.  Gay lifestyle and marriage, the bible clearly speaks against these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can say that being a Christian dosen&#8217;t affect what your politial views are..the issues man, c&#8217;mon.  Abortion, I know that this is an easy one but it&#8217;s so clear.  Gay lifestyle and marriage, the bible clearly speaks against these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal H.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-3905</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been watching Mitt for awhile too. I&#039;ve liked what I have seen but want to see more. I can hardly wait for some debates to see what he has to say and how he says it. Plus, its always exciting to see a latter-day saint in the national spotlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been watching Mitt for awhile too. I&#8217;ve liked what I have seen but want to see more. I can hardly wait for some debates to see what he has to say and how he says it. Plus, its always exciting to see a latter-day saint in the national spotlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-3904</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rusty, for your reply.  I appreciate your perspectives.

Captain Moroni (or equivalent) would be sweet.  Mitt Romney is no Moroni, yet I have come to feel that he  will be a strong candidate.  We&#039;ll see how things play out.

Fritz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rusty, for your reply.  I appreciate your perspectives.</p>
<p>Captain Moroni (or equivalent) would be sweet.  Mitt Romney is no Moroni, yet I have come to feel that he  will be a strong candidate.  We&#8217;ll see how things play out.</p>
<p>Fritz</p>
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		<title>By: Hal H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along with being rational human beings we also need to be moral human beings. With our society&#039;s current &#039;rush to be non-judgmental&#039; we have become a &#039;non-discerning&#039; people. We seem to be losing our ability to recognize evil when it needs to recognized. I think this is one of the causes of much political confusion. Where is Capt. Moroni when you need him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with being rational human beings we also need to be moral human beings. With our society&#8217;s current &#8216;rush to be non-judgmental&#8217; we have become a &#8216;non-discerning&#8217; people. We seem to be losing our ability to recognize evil when it needs to recognized. I think this is one of the causes of much political confusion. Where is Capt. Moroni when you need him?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-3901</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too look forward to this administrations departure.  I don&#039;t have enough historical perspective to know if it is possible but I have hope that this country can move beyond the Bush and Clinton dynasties, that the political divide will become less acidic, and we can talk and act like rational human beings (again?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too look forward to this administrations departure.  I don&#8217;t have enough historical perspective to know if it is possible but I have hope that this country can move beyond the Bush and Clinton dynasties, that the political divide will become less acidic, and we can talk and act like rational human beings (again?).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-3899</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your last paragraph whole-heartedly, Stan.  Complaining about our involvement in the war doesn&#039;t solve anything.

I do take issue with the idea that I should be associated with Kerry, Clinton, etc.  They are simply using the lack of success in the war to gain votes.  Had the war gone smoothly, they would be trumping about how they supported it in the first place.

I am a conservative on just about every issue, but I can&#039;t continue to support this administration after the countless blunders that they have made.  Like, Rusty, actually exactly like Rusty, I voted for Bush in 2000 and couldn&#039;t bring myself to vote for anyone in 2004.  I don&#039;t really see myself voting for a Democrat in the near future, but I&#039;m not all that pleased with how the Republican party has acted during the past several years they&#039;ve been in control.  It&#039;s an absolute mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your last paragraph whole-heartedly, Stan.  Complaining about our involvement in the war doesn&#8217;t solve anything.</p>
<p>I do take issue with the idea that I should be associated with Kerry, Clinton, etc.  They are simply using the lack of success in the war to gain votes.  Had the war gone smoothly, they would be trumping about how they supported it in the first place.</p>
<p>I am a conservative on just about every issue, but I can&#8217;t continue to support this administration after the countless blunders that they have made.  Like, Rusty, actually exactly like Rusty, I voted for Bush in 2000 and couldn&#8217;t bring myself to vote for anyone in 2004.  I don&#8217;t really see myself voting for a Democrat in the near future, but I&#8217;m not all that pleased with how the Republican party has acted during the past several years they&#8217;ve been in control.  It&#8217;s an absolute mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq is one of those issues that I&#039;ve stopped debating with others.  It is far too emotional, on both sides, to have a satisfying and logical debate.  I will make one final point, however.  You are offended by the association with Clinton and Kerry, yet the association is logically made because you echo their current positions.  Positions which they have come to after all the facts are known and when it is politically expedient for them to do so.  Yet I bring up their past positions because when they essentially had the same knowledge about the issue as Bush, they said they would have done the same things as he did.

OK, one more point.  I encourage diversity of thought and appreciate alternative points of view, especially in the church.  I think that if the church, just like blacks were to diversify themselves politically, it would introduce more intellectual rigor into our thought, making us personally better off.  We would also get more for our votes.  As it is, the mormon and black votes are &#039;in the bag&#039;, therefore politicians need do nothing to get them.

But the thing I find harmful to this country, is all the post mortem whining about Iraq.  Yeah the administration could do a better job over there.  We didn&#039;t find WMD, Al Qaeda was not heavily associated with Hussein, blah, blah, blah.  The fact is we are there and Al Qaeda is there now.  What is the right course of action NOW?  Its OK to say that we should stay until Iraq is stable even though you didn&#039;t think we should ever have gone in to start with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq is one of those issues that I&#8217;ve stopped debating with others.  It is far too emotional, on both sides, to have a satisfying and logical debate.  I will make one final point, however.  You are offended by the association with Clinton and Kerry, yet the association is logically made because you echo their current positions.  Positions which they have come to after all the facts are known and when it is politically expedient for them to do so.  Yet I bring up their past positions because when they essentially had the same knowledge about the issue as Bush, they said they would have done the same things as he did.</p>
<p>OK, one more point.  I encourage diversity of thought and appreciate alternative points of view, especially in the church.  I think that if the church, just like blacks were to diversify themselves politically, it would introduce more intellectual rigor into our thought, making us personally better off.  We would also get more for our votes.  As it is, the mormon and black votes are &#8216;in the bag&#8217;, therefore politicians need do nothing to get them.</p>
<p>But the thing I find harmful to this country, is all the post mortem whining about Iraq.  Yeah the administration could do a better job over there.  We didn&#8217;t find WMD, Al Qaeda was not heavily associated with Hussein, blah, blah, blah.  The fact is we are there and Al Qaeda is there now.  What is the right course of action NOW?  Its OK to say that we should stay until Iraq is stable even though you didn&#8217;t think we should ever have gone in to start with.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fritz,
A fair question. I&#039;m afraid, however, that you&#039;ll find that my answer is less interesting than you seem to be hoping for. 

There are a couple things I need to clarify though. First of all, when you say &quot;enlightened&quot; I hope you mean that in the sense that everyone thinks they&#039;re enlightened no matter where they stand, not in the sense that for some reason the liberals consider themselves enlightened and the conservatives don&#039;t. Because I don&#039;t consider myself either one or the other I just consider my views (and always have regardless of where I&#039;ve stood) as enlightened. Doesn&#039;t everyone?

Secondly, I have no beef with the Republican party. I have a beef with many of those within it (as well as many within the Democratic party). I don&#039;t follow politics enough to know the &quot;Republican stance&quot; on such and such issue. In fact, I&#039;ve often been confused when I find out that such and such is the Democrat way of thinking rather than the Republican. I try to look at the issue, hear the perspectives and decide what I think at that point. In fact, in my perfect political world there wouldn&#039;t be parties at all, just opinions on issues. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s some naive thing that political analysts have long since thrown over their shoulder as an inferior or flawed way of seeing things but I don&#039;t really care. It&#039;s the way I currently see things right now. Hopefully my perspective will evolve.

Thirdly, you don&#039;t have to be a liberal to disagree with Bush. Unless only 30% of America (or whatever his approval ratings are at right now) is conservative it looks like it&#039;s possible to have a general conservative viewpoint and still think he&#039;s a moron and has made some dumb decisions. The problem is when his supporters write off everyone that disagrees with him as liberals. I think it is possible to both hate Bush but be a Republican.

So to answer your inquiry, yes, I grew up conservative and my change has been gradual though (again) I wouldn&#039;t consider myself a liberal either. I voted for Bush in 2000. I didn&#039;t vote for president in 2004. I trusted him in 2000, he made decisions I disagreed with, he lost that trust, therefore I didn&#039;t continue to support him. It&#039;s quite simple actually.

How it happened, I don&#039;t know. I think life experience had a big part in it, being outside the bubble. Seeing the diversity of opinion and experience. Also a big part of it was the discussions we&#039;d have in my design classes at BYU when we&#039;d discuss politics, art, culture, sustainability, architecture, Design (with a capital &#039;D&#039;), etc. These things have all helped me ask better questions, helped me admit that I really don&#039;t know too much, and helped me see that there is good and bad in almost everything. 

Oh, and I watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report which are both very good at pointing out the absurdity in politics.

But Fritz, if you want to know where I am politically you&#039;re going to have to be specific, we&#039;re going to have to talk topics. And in the past five or so years I&#039;ve been on the opposite side of the table as Bush on almost every topic. That&#039;s why I think he&#039;s a jackass.

Regarding my religious movement, that&#039;s a topic for another day. But the answer has a heavy dose of the Spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fritz,<br />
A fair question. I&#8217;m afraid, however, that you&#8217;ll find that my answer is less interesting than you seem to be hoping for. </p>
<p>There are a couple things I need to clarify though. First of all, when you say &#8220;enlightened&#8221; I hope you mean that in the sense that everyone thinks they&#8217;re enlightened no matter where they stand, not in the sense that for some reason the liberals consider themselves enlightened and the conservatives don&#8217;t. Because I don&#8217;t consider myself either one or the other I just consider my views (and always have regardless of where I&#8217;ve stood) as enlightened. Doesn&#8217;t everyone?</p>
<p>Secondly, I have no beef with the Republican party. I have a beef with many of those within it (as well as many within the Democratic party). I don&#8217;t follow politics enough to know the &#8220;Republican stance&#8221; on such and such issue. In fact, I&#8217;ve often been confused when I find out that such and such is the Democrat way of thinking rather than the Republican. I try to look at the issue, hear the perspectives and decide what I think at that point. In fact, in my perfect political world there wouldn&#8217;t be parties at all, just opinions on issues. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s some naive thing that political analysts have long since thrown over their shoulder as an inferior or flawed way of seeing things but I don&#8217;t really care. It&#8217;s the way I currently see things right now. Hopefully my perspective will evolve.</p>
<p>Thirdly, you don&#8217;t have to be a liberal to disagree with Bush. Unless only 30% of America (or whatever his approval ratings are at right now) is conservative it looks like it&#8217;s possible to have a general conservative viewpoint and still think he&#8217;s a moron and has made some dumb decisions. The problem is when his supporters write off everyone that disagrees with him as liberals. I think it is possible to both hate Bush but be a Republican.</p>
<p>So to answer your inquiry, yes, I grew up conservative and my change has been gradual though (again) I wouldn&#8217;t consider myself a liberal either. I voted for Bush in 2000. I didn&#8217;t vote for president in 2004. I trusted him in 2000, he made decisions I disagreed with, he lost that trust, therefore I didn&#8217;t continue to support him. It&#8217;s quite simple actually.</p>
<p>How it happened, I don&#8217;t know. I think life experience had a big part in it, being outside the bubble. Seeing the diversity of opinion and experience. Also a big part of it was the discussions we&#8217;d have in my design classes at BYU when we&#8217;d discuss politics, art, culture, sustainability, architecture, Design (with a capital &#8216;D&#8217;), etc. These things have all helped me ask better questions, helped me admit that I really don&#8217;t know too much, and helped me see that there is good and bad in almost everything. </p>
<p>Oh, and I watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report which are both very good at pointing out the absurdity in politics.</p>
<p>But Fritz, if you want to know where I am politically you&#8217;re going to have to be specific, we&#8217;re going to have to talk topics. And in the past five or so years I&#8217;ve been on the opposite side of the table as Bush on almost every topic. That&#8217;s why I think he&#8217;s a jackass.</p>
<p>Regarding my religious movement, that&#8217;s a topic for another day. But the answer has a heavy dose of the Spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-3895</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does stuff like this slip under the radar?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008568</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does stuff like this slip under the radar?</p>
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