Comments on: Does Elohim = Mr. and Mrs. God? http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403 Tue, 21 May 2013 21:34:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: cchrissyy http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6313 cchrissyy Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:22:52 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6313 Cheryl, The reason isn't known. your theory (protect Her) tries to fill the gap with explanation. There may not be an explanation, but my other ideas are 1) because we haven't asked 2) because we're not ready to hear yet 3) because it's just one of the parameters of Earth life, we'll learn why afterwards. We know that God will "yet reveal many things pertaining to the kingdom" so it doesn't bug me at all that we don't have good answers yet for many interesting questions. My favorite is this- God (He+She) speaks to us as one united voice but our cultural/historical context causes us to register that as His voice, His scripture, His answer to prayer. I think the "protecting Her" explanation falls seriously short 1) it requires an exalted being to be "too soft" to handle affliction 2)It credits Heavenly Father with the decision, not that it was Her move or a joint, united plan. 3) it requires modern stereotyped gender roles to apply ot their relationship- he's "tough enough" she's too weak so she willingly falls back. Or worse, She wants to be involved with us, but she's obedient- that is, under Him, not equal to Him in authority and power after all. All 3 of these points have zero scriptural support. Perfected, exalted beings, with power to create and destroy, who are perfectly united as one, just don't have scriptural or prophetic descriptors such as "weak" "can't handle it" "subservient" "puts aside own judgment" etc. so, there are my thoughts on the subject. It's a minor pet peeve :) Cheryl,
The reason isn’t known. your theory (protect Her) tries to fill the gap with explanation.
There may not be an explanation, but my other ideas are 1) because we haven’t asked 2) because we’re not ready to hear yet 3) because it’s just one of the parameters of Earth life, we’ll learn why afterwards. We know that God will “yet reveal many things pertaining to the kingdom” so it doesn’t bug me at all that we don’t have good answers yet for many interesting questions.

My favorite is this- God (He+She) speaks to us as one united voice but our cultural/historical context causes us to register that as His voice, His scripture, His answer to prayer.

I think the “protecting Her” explanation falls seriously short
1) it requires an exalted being to be “too soft” to handle affliction
2)It credits Heavenly Father with the decision, not that it was Her move or a joint, united plan.
3) it requires modern stereotyped gender roles to apply ot their relationship- he’s “tough enough” she’s too weak so she willingly falls back. Or worse, She wants to be involved with us, but she’s obedient- that is, under Him, not equal to Him in authority and power after all.

All 3 of these points have zero scriptural support. Perfected, exalted beings, with power to create and destroy, who are perfectly united as one, just don’t have scriptural or prophetic descriptors such as “weak” “can’t handle it” “subservient” “puts aside own judgment” etc.

so, there are my thoughts on the subject. It’s a minor pet peeve :)

]]> By: jose http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6189 jose Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:21:39 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6189 The Arabic Allah is also plural. Muslims, like most Christians, point to the multiplicity of divine attributes of God--similar to the 99 names of God. The Arabic Allah is also plural. Muslims, like most Christians, point to the multiplicity of divine attributes of God–similar to the 99 names of God.

]]> By: Bookslinger http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6168 Bookslinger Mon, 08 Jan 2007 04:15:08 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6168 I believe that the Proclamation on the family is the first official church statement since correlation (or earlier) to refer to a heavenly mother. http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html The second paragraph states: All human beings — male and female — are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, ... Note the plural of parents. Ipso facto... So there you have it, right there in an official document. I believe that the Proclamation on the family is the first official church statement since correlation (or earlier) to refer to a heavenly mother.

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html

The second paragraph states:

All human beings — male and female — are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, …

Note the plural of parents. Ipso facto…

So there you have it, right there in an official document.

]]> By: Amy http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6131 Amy Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:19:20 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6131 I heard years ago and have since been okay with the idea that Elohim could mean both Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. After reading Adam's comment (#10) I realized I learned this in a missionary prep course taught by Brother Randy Bott--for whatever that's worth. I heard years ago and have since been okay with the idea that Elohim could mean both Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. After reading Adam’s comment (#10) I realized I learned this in a missionary prep course taught by Brother Randy Bott–for whatever that’s worth.

]]> By: cheryl http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6129 cheryl Sun, 07 Jan 2007 02:32:11 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6129 cchrissy-- Then why is She never mentioned, except in hushed tones, occasional hymns, and once-in-a-while GA talks/firesides? I mean, if She isn\'t mentioned because of God\'s desire to protect Her, then what\'s the reason? I\'ve always thought that reason was pretty good, but it could be wrong, and if it is, then what <i>is</i> the reason? cchrissy–
Then why is She never mentioned, except in hushed tones, occasional hymns, and once-in-a-while GA talks/firesides? I mean, if She isn\’t mentioned because of God\’s desire to protect Her, then what\’s the reason? I\’ve always thought that reason was pretty good, but it could be wrong, and if it is, then what is the reason?

]]> By: cchrissyy http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6127 cchrissyy Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:15:53 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6127 "purposefully left out most of the time to protect Her name from all the horrible grief His is put through." Because she's not strong enough to take it, but He is? I like to believe goddess-hood is rich enough, elevated enough, powerful enough to handle that sort of thing. “purposefully left out most of the time to protect Her name from all the horrible grief His is put through.”

Because she’s not strong enough to take it, but He is?
I like to believe goddess-hood is rich enough, elevated enough, powerful enough to handle that sort of thing.

]]> By: Kevin Barney http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6126 Kevin Barney Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:36:41 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6126 You may find <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/MotherInHeaven.pdf" rel="nofollow">my paper </a>on this subject of some interest. You may find my paper on this subject of some interest.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6113 Bret Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:57:16 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6113 Joanne, I hadn't thought of it that way before. (being a man and all, I guess:) Joanne,
I hadn’t thought of it that way before. (being a man and all, I guess:)

]]> By: adam http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6100 adam Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:12:21 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6100 I was at a know your religion a few years ago on the topic: "what did Joseph teach " and the BYU proffessor Bro. Bott said that he felt that Joseph taught that Elohiem ment both heavenly mother and father. I was at a know your religion a few years ago on the topic: “what did Joseph teach ” and the BYU proffessor Bro. Bott said that he felt that Joseph taught that Elohiem ment both heavenly mother and father.

]]> By: Matt W. http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=403&cpage=1#comment-6086 Matt W. Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:06:27 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/01/04/does-elohim-mr-and-mrs-god/#comment-6086 My understanding is that the MiH being protected (not needing protectiong) idea comes from some comments by Richard G. Scott given at a conference. I got this third hand and have never found a record to verify it, however. I know GBH publicly discouraged prayer to a Mother in Heaven in conference around 1990, as we are instructed to pray to our Father in Heaven. I do believe there must be a unity there as described in your post. I do not buy the concept of MiH = HG, which I have heard thrown around on occasion. My understanding is that the MiH being protected (not needing protectiong) idea comes from some comments by Richard G. Scott given at a conference. I got this third hand and have never found a record to verify it, however.

I know GBH publicly discouraged prayer to a Mother in Heaven in conference around 1990, as we are instructed to pray to our Father in Heaven. I do believe there must be a unity there as described in your post.

I do not buy the concept of MiH = HG, which I have heard thrown around on occasion.

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