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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Women Don&#8217;t Have The Priesthood Because The Q12 Haven&#8217;t Asked God About It&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6271</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Téa. What a &quot;breath&quot; that was. :)

Having met you, I can think of some pretty cute and energetic evidences of ways that you are making a huge difference at the Lord&#039;s table. Huge. :) For generations to come, I&#039;d say.... Just my two cents on that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Téa. What a &#8220;breath&#8221; that was. :)</p>
<p>Having met you, I can think of some pretty cute and energetic evidences of ways that you are making a huge difference at the Lord&#8217;s table. Huge. :) For generations to come, I&#8217;d say&#8230;. Just my two cents on that. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Téa</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6229</link>
		<dc:creator>Téa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the most correct answer is &quot;we don&#039;t know&quot;. Have they asked? We don&#039;t know. Would asking and receiving the answer to that question result in a change of any kind? We don&#039;t know.  Why are there earthly priests and not earthly priestesses? We don&#039;t know.

I think one reason the issue can be frustrating comes from the priesthood (its powers, oath &amp; covenant, duties, blessings, etc) being more easily defined and quantifiable than the &#039;separate but equal&#039; role(s) of women. 

In the same &#039;breath&#039; as introducing me to God, the Holy Spirit told me I would understand someday why I did not have the priesthood now, and it is with that testimony I can say it does not bother me. What I do yearn for is the understanding of what I as a woman am to bring to the Lord&#039;s table here and now. Without that initial reassurance (which to me doesn&#039;t preclude God changing anything tomorrow or whenever), I can see it would be much much harder to feel like something wasn&#039;t broken or sadly incomplete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most correct answer is &#8220;we don&#8217;t know&#8221;. Have they asked? We don&#8217;t know. Would asking and receiving the answer to that question result in a change of any kind? We don&#8217;t know.  Why are there earthly priests and not earthly priestesses? We don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I think one reason the issue can be frustrating comes from the priesthood (its powers, oath &amp; covenant, duties, blessings, etc) being more easily defined and quantifiable than the &#8216;separate but equal&#8217; role(s) of women. </p>
<p>In the same &#8216;breath&#8217; as introducing me to God, the Holy Spirit told me I would understand someday why I did not have the priesthood now, and it is with that testimony I can say it does not bother me. What I do yearn for is the understanding of what I as a woman am to bring to the Lord&#8217;s table here and now. Without that initial reassurance (which to me doesn&#8217;t preclude God changing anything tomorrow or whenever), I can see it would be much much harder to feel like something wasn&#8217;t broken or sadly incomplete.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, OK. But I also don&#039;t think it does any good for people who struggle to give them false hopes of things &quot;changing&quot; to suit what they think might help them feel better, or to feed their desire to clamor for change. I don&#039;t know how you came to peace with these issues, but I think sometimes we do more harm then good if we focus on the concerns so much that they take on a life of their own and make people think they are more in tune with how things should be than the prophets are. That is what concerns me about this kind of issue...it&#039;s not lack of sympathy at all, but deep concern that these people not pull themselves away from the Spirit (One who can help them find peace amidst their questions) by undermining or speaking out against the prophets re: these topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, OK. But I also don&#8217;t think it does any good for people who struggle to give them false hopes of things &#8220;changing&#8221; to suit what they think might help them feel better, or to feed their desire to clamor for change. I don&#8217;t know how you came to peace with these issues, but I think sometimes we do more harm then good if we focus on the concerns so much that they take on a life of their own and make people think they are more in tune with how things should be than the prophets are. That is what concerns me about this kind of issue&#8230;it&#8217;s not lack of sympathy at all, but deep concern that these people not pull themselves away from the Spirit (One who can help them find peace amidst their questions) by undermining or speaking out against the prophets re: these topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6198</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m&amp;m,

No, *I* wouldn&#039;t clamour for it.  But I am extremely sympathetic for those who are at loose ends on this issue.  I&#039;m pretty sure that I&#039;ve had this conversation with you before--no one is helped when women who are concerned about this issue are told to just stop worrying about it.

cheryl,  I have answers that feel very comfortable to me.  I&#039;m not claiming that anyone else should give any credence to my answers, but I just don&#039;t see questions related to women&#039;s roles as unanswerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m&amp;m,</p>
<p>No, *I* wouldn&#8217;t clamour for it.  But I am extremely sympathetic for those who are at loose ends on this issue.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that I&#8217;ve had this conversation with you before&#8211;no one is helped when women who are concerned about this issue are told to just stop worrying about it.</p>
<p>cheryl,  I have answers that feel very comfortable to me.  I&#8217;m not claiming that anyone else should give any credence to my answers, but I just don&#8217;t see questions related to women&#8217;s roles as unanswerable.</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6196</link>
		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re speculating, I&#039;ve wondered what kind of different circumstances would be created if women were given the priesthood. Would everyone just join the elders quorum? If so, would there be a table cloth? Would they do away with visit teaching and just make husband/wife the new hometeaching companions? Would a female bishop need a worthy priesthood sister to hang around while she&#039;s interviewing a brother? Would the women be counceled to wear a white blouse or dress while passing the sacrament? Would some sisters look down on other sisters for &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; wearing a white blouse to church? Would sister missionaries be called at 19? Would men start to be called as primary president? Would the young womens program blow up? Would old single men start getting sealed to Eliza R. Snow?  Would my 96 year old great grandmothers head explode?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re speculating, I&#8217;ve wondered what kind of different circumstances would be created if women were given the priesthood. Would everyone just join the elders quorum? If so, would there be a table cloth? Would they do away with visit teaching and just make husband/wife the new hometeaching companions? Would a female bishop need a worthy priesthood sister to hang around while she&#8217;s interviewing a brother? Would the women be counceled to wear a white blouse or dress while passing the sacrament? Would some sisters look down on other sisters for <em>not</em> wearing a white blouse to church? Would sister missionaries be called at 19? Would men start to be called as primary president? Would the young womens program blow up? Would old single men start getting sealed to Eliza R. Snow?  Would my 96 year old great grandmothers head explode?</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6191</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m a Sister Smith. I have three children. I have a husband, but if heaven forbid that should change, the best way to care for my children would be the least dispensable question I could imagine. &lt;/i&gt;

Of course you should care about caring for your children, but Julie, are you saying you would clamor for the priesthood if you became a widow so you could &quot;better care for them&quot;? If not (and I would have guessed/hoped you wouldnt&#039; be the type to get into that mindset), I don&#039;t understand why the flippant comment....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m a Sister Smith. I have three children. I have a husband, but if heaven forbid that should change, the best way to care for my children would be the least dispensable question I could imagine. </i></p>
<p>Of course you should care about caring for your children, but Julie, are you saying you would clamor for the priesthood if you became a widow so you could &#8220;better care for them&#8221;? If not (and I would have guessed/hoped you wouldnt&#8217; be the type to get into that mindset), I don&#8217;t understand why the flippant comment&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6184</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M&amp;M--
Once again, you put my thoughts into words (regarding the title question), and you did it very well. :)

Regarding velvet and Rusty&#039;s comments:

I&#039;ve thought a lot about what Velvet said this weekend and I&#039;m trying to understand why I enjoy this blogging world so much. I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; wonderful things to discuss that I haven&#039;t thought about before. However, when there are discussions that will become heated and a distraction from real truth and/or what I should be focusing on in my life, I have chosen to just skip them altogether. So what Rusty said is fairly accurate: Enjoy what there is, and if not, oh, well. 

Julie-
How is this question answerable? Perhaps it will be later...is that what you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M&amp;M&#8211;<br />
Once again, you put my thoughts into words (regarding the title question), and you did it very well. :)</p>
<p>Regarding velvet and Rusty&#8217;s comments:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought a lot about what Velvet said this weekend and I&#8217;m trying to understand why I enjoy this blogging world so much. I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that there <em>are</em> wonderful things to discuss that I haven&#8217;t thought about before. However, when there are discussions that will become heated and a distraction from real truth and/or what I should be focusing on in my life, I have chosen to just skip them altogether. So what Rusty said is fairly accurate: Enjoy what there is, and if not, oh, well. </p>
<p>Julie-<br />
How is this question answerable? Perhaps it will be later&#8230;is that what you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6183</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Velvet,
I appreciate your concern for us (who &quot;spend a lot of time here&quot;). Your implication, however, that nothing can be gained from these discussions is patently false. The title of this post is a real concern of a real member of my ward (over which I have a certain amount of stewardship). If this concern keeps her from fully participating as a member of the church in any way then I think it&#039;s important to better understand her concern. This conversation here has helped me do just that. 

Regarding Elohim, I actually find that a fascinating insight into language and the depth of our understanding of the Gospel. That&#039;s something that I&#039;d probably share with a Gospel Doctrine class (if I were the teacher). Did you actually read that post? 

I understand that you may not get much out of these conversations or that you may be bothered that we have these discussions. That&#039;s okay, you&#039;re not the first nor will you be the last. I&#039;d just invite you to take a gander through our archives and see all of the correlated discussions we&#039;ve had (the majority) and hopefully you can enjoy those. If not, that&#039;s okay, my feelings won&#039;t be hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Velvet,<br />
I appreciate your concern for us (who &#8220;spend a lot of time here&#8221;). Your implication, however, that nothing can be gained from these discussions is patently false. The title of this post is a real concern of a real member of my ward (over which I have a certain amount of stewardship). If this concern keeps her from fully participating as a member of the church in any way then I think it&#8217;s important to better understand her concern. This conversation here has helped me do just that. </p>
<p>Regarding Elohim, I actually find that a fascinating insight into language and the depth of our understanding of the Gospel. That&#8217;s something that I&#8217;d probably share with a Gospel Doctrine class (if I were the teacher). Did you actually read that post? </p>
<p>I understand that you may not get much out of these conversations or that you may be bothered that we have these discussions. That&#8217;s okay, you&#8217;re not the first nor will you be the last. I&#8217;d just invite you to take a gander through our archives and see all of the correlated discussions we&#8217;ve had (the majority) and hopefully you can enjoy those. If not, that&#8217;s okay, my feelings won&#8217;t be hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=404&#038;cpage=1#comment-6175</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This (the title) is a sentiment that I simply don&#039;t agree with. I haven&#039;t read other comments so forgive if this is a repeat. Consider the scripture in 3 Ne. 19:24 &quot;And it came to pass that when Jesus had thus prayed unto the Father, he came unto his disciples, and behold, they did still continue, without ceasing, to pray unto him; and they did not multiply many words, &lt;strong&gt;for it was given unto them what they should pray, and they were filled with desire. &lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

I believe our leaders are inspired, not only about what we hear on the end of their teachings, but also are inspired about what to be concerned about and what to pray about. There are 15 of them considering things of highest import. God is not going to let them lead us astray in any way that will thwart His work or His will. If God wants something done, He will let these men know He needs it done, and/or will put people in place who are ready and able to bring the issues to the table. While I do believe God gives us room to work things out, I think we sometimes underestimate how directly and intimately involved He is in this work, and how much our leaders seek His will -- how CLOSE they are to the Lord. Read Elder Holland&#039;s talk again about how our leaders consider old and new very, very carefully, and make decisions based on all factors. They are not blind to these issues. And yet things remain the way they are. We should trust that, not question it and assume we know better than they. 

We haven&#039;t heard anything about women and the priesthood not because they don&#039;t care and not because they aren&#039;t aware that this is a concern for some (just some) people.  Rather, it&#039;s because either they aren&#039;t inspired to ask about it (like pound the doors of heaven about it) or they have asked and have gotten their answer. I tend to think they just KNOW that it&#039;s not something that needs to be asked about (at least not at this time) because they know what IS God&#039;s will concerning these things. And I think it&#039;s folly to assume that all we need to do is do some grass-roots revolution, &quot;raising their awareness&quot; so they will want to ask about and that will change things (which is what i have heard more than once from the LDS feminist activist point of view). They deserve more trust than that. They are in touch with the Lord probably more than we will ever really know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This (the title) is a sentiment that I simply don&#8217;t agree with. I haven&#8217;t read other comments so forgive if this is a repeat. Consider the scripture in 3 Ne. 19:24 &#8220;And it came to pass that when Jesus had thus prayed unto the Father, he came unto his disciples, and behold, they did still continue, without ceasing, to pray unto him; and they did not multiply many words, <strong>for it was given unto them what they should pray, and they were filled with desire. </strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe our leaders are inspired, not only about what we hear on the end of their teachings, but also are inspired about what to be concerned about and what to pray about. There are 15 of them considering things of highest import. God is not going to let them lead us astray in any way that will thwart His work or His will. If God wants something done, He will let these men know He needs it done, and/or will put people in place who are ready and able to bring the issues to the table. While I do believe God gives us room to work things out, I think we sometimes underestimate how directly and intimately involved He is in this work, and how much our leaders seek His will &#8212; how CLOSE they are to the Lord. Read Elder Holland&#8217;s talk again about how our leaders consider old and new very, very carefully, and make decisions based on all factors. They are not blind to these issues. And yet things remain the way they are. We should trust that, not question it and assume we know better than they. </p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t heard anything about women and the priesthood not because they don&#8217;t care and not because they aren&#8217;t aware that this is a concern for some (just some) people.  Rather, it&#8217;s because either they aren&#8217;t inspired to ask about it (like pound the doors of heaven about it) or they have asked and have gotten their answer. I tend to think they just KNOW that it&#8217;s not something that needs to be asked about (at least not at this time) because they know what IS God&#8217;s will concerning these things. And I think it&#8217;s folly to assume that all we need to do is do some grass-roots revolution, &#8220;raising their awareness&#8221; so they will want to ask about and that will change things (which is what i have heard more than once from the LDS feminist activist point of view). They deserve more trust than that. They are in touch with the Lord probably more than we will ever really know.</p>
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		<title>By: velvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>velvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 03:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Cheryl.  If people want to know answers they should visit credible sources of information (FARMS and FAIR are good suggestions).  If they want to socialize and visit usually taboo topics, they should continue to go to these blogs and converse w/ others about stuff nobody seems to have good answers for.  

Why should I listen to what random members of the church on Nine Moons have to say if I really want credible answers?  I personally don&#039;t.  I only step into this zone when my wife tells me there&#039;s another doozy topic.  If I can&#039;t stand what&#039;s going on, I take the time to post something.  Yep.  This was an instance when I couldn&#039;t just stand by w/ these left-field topics and associate discussion.

So, why do so many of you come here?  For real answers?  Or social life?  Or a blend?  I worry that many of you spend a lot of time here.  And what are you really getting?  I bet some of this is fun.  But what of the real substance and application for life? 

Especially, when the topics are about the &quot;Q12&quot; inquiring about women and the priesthood or the real meaning of Elohim, I can&#039;t help but express what I have already.  Why the fascination w/ these topics in the LDS blogosphere that are not formally discussed in church?  

I believe some of you are missing the mark.  All this amateur, without-a-credible-moderator, back-and-forth commentary is in part ridiculous.  I know that is what makes a blog a blog.  But that is what makes blogs ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Cheryl.  If people want to know answers they should visit credible sources of information (FARMS and FAIR are good suggestions).  If they want to socialize and visit usually taboo topics, they should continue to go to these blogs and converse w/ others about stuff nobody seems to have good answers for.  </p>
<p>Why should I listen to what random members of the church on Nine Moons have to say if I really want credible answers?  I personally don&#8217;t.  I only step into this zone when my wife tells me there&#8217;s another doozy topic.  If I can&#8217;t stand what&#8217;s going on, I take the time to post something.  Yep.  This was an instance when I couldn&#8217;t just stand by w/ these left-field topics and associate discussion.</p>
<p>So, why do so many of you come here?  For real answers?  Or social life?  Or a blend?  I worry that many of you spend a lot of time here.  And what are you really getting?  I bet some of this is fun.  But what of the real substance and application for life? </p>
<p>Especially, when the topics are about the &#8220;Q12&#8243; inquiring about women and the priesthood or the real meaning of Elohim, I can&#8217;t help but express what I have already.  Why the fascination w/ these topics in the LDS blogosphere that are not formally discussed in church?  </p>
<p>I believe some of you are missing the mark.  All this amateur, without-a-credible-moderator, back-and-forth commentary is in part ridiculous.  I know that is what makes a blog a blog.  But that is what makes blogs ridiculous.</p>
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