Yes. We rarely enjoy breathing. We just do it automatically. I’m breathing right now and I’m glad I’m breathing, but it brings me no particluar satisfaction or enjoyment. I appreciate that I’m breathing because I know what it’s like to not breathe. The only time breathing is a source of actual enjoyment is right after you’ve been deprived of air. That first breath is such a great relief because it’s in direct contrast to the previous pain. If you didn’t know what not breathing was like could you really appreciate or enjoy breathing?
More directly, what about Jesus our model? He never sinned; He didn’t *not* do good, yet surely He has the most perfect experience of the moral good in history.
You’re right, one need not sin in order to be good. Like you said, one must have the opportunity to sin in order to be good. That’s a different matter from the need to have first hand experience of sadness and pain in order to know happiness and joy.]]>
More directly, what about Jesus our model? He never sinned; He didn’t *not* do good, yet surely He has the most perfect experience of the moral good in history.]]>
I think this is perfectly in line with the Mormon understanding of things. But joy, the ultimate benefit of doing good, can only be experienced and fully appreciated if we also experience absense of joy and sorrow, which are inevitable aspects of the mortal experience.]]>
On a side note, I don’t believe it’s destroying Satan’s agency to protect us from him, any more than it destroys a convict’s free will to protect society from him via a prison. He can will to harm us all he wants even if the Father prevents him. Of course, He does allow Satan to tempt us, that we may experience the moral good by choosing correctly (but we need not choose wrongly to experience said good).]]>
The truth of it is- if you go back to our very foundations in heaven before this earth was created, it was a known part growing that once we came to earth in our somewhat infant state we would all sin iregardless of whether or not there was an evil influence swaying us. It is the natural man that is an enemy to god. This to me means that it is natural for man to please his carnal desires and that he has to learn how to bridal those passions and control how he uses his desires. Before Satan became Satan the plan of our salvation was already in place and we all understood it. We all knew that left alone in the world we would sin and become imperfect.
Satan is actually a hindrence to the plan of salvation. It would have been much better had he not chosen to become evil. God allows him to tempt us because to deny that would destroy both Satan’s agency and ours. Many miss the critical point of the lecture in the Book of Mormon that wickedness or goodness could not come to pass if either it was impossible to do so or that it was immediately silenced.
I agree with you that it seems backwards to “have to” experience being wicked in order to be good.]]>