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	<title>Comments on: John Lennon&#8217;s &#8220;Imagine&#8221;: Do People Get It?</title>
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		<title>By: Foo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine there’s no Heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today 

beautiful!!!</description>
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It’s easy if you try<br />
No hell below us<br />
Above us only sky<br />
Imagine all the people<br />
Living for today </p>
<p>beautiful!!!</p>
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		<title>By: pumpkin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.</description>
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		<title>By: real matt</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=446&#038;cpage=1#comment-7654</link>
		<dc:creator>real matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorta OT.  This is in response to #1, whether John had any contact with Mormons.

I was looking through the liner notes to &quot;Let it be...naked&quot; this morning and it shows some discussion the Beatles had when filming Let It Be.  Anyways it&#039;s somewhat silly but John says the following:

&quot;Guest star Glyn Johns who played a Mormon Cathedral&quot;.  

Google found an online version &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beatles.ru/postman/forum_messages.asp?msg_id=7351&amp;cfrom=1&amp;showtype=0&amp;cpage=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

...

Another aside, John Lennon&#039;s &quot;Mother&quot; is a very powerful song too.  (Warning of being bad parents)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorta OT.  This is in response to #1, whether John had any contact with Mormons.</p>
<p>I was looking through the liner notes to &#8220;Let it be&#8230;naked&#8221; this morning and it shows some discussion the Beatles had when filming Let It Be.  Anyways it&#8217;s somewhat silly but John says the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Guest star Glyn Johns who played a Mormon Cathedral&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Google found an online version <a href="http://www.beatles.ru/postman/forum_messages.asp?msg_id=7351&amp;cfrom=1&amp;showtype=0&amp;cpage=4" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Another aside, John Lennon&#8217;s &#8220;Mother&#8221; is a very powerful song too.  (Warning of being bad parents)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=446&#038;cpage=1#comment-7651</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamonte: &lt;em&gt;I believe the original premise of this post was to say that John Lennon’s song was anti-religion and anti-God. &lt;/em&gt;

Well, it&#039;s not so much that I find &quot;Imagine&quot; so especially deserving of condemnation that I would devote a blog post to it.  It&#039;s that the case of &quot;Imagine&#039;s&quot; popularity among even believers illustrates some things I find interesting: that people often don&#039;t understand something that they&#039;re exposed to over and over, that people can embrace art that stands in opposition to their own personal beliefs, and how stealthily certain messages get propagated.  There are other works, I&#039;m sure, besides &quot;Imagine&quot; that also illustrate the point.  It&#039;s just that &quot;Imagine&quot; got me thinking about it so that&#039;s what I used as an example.

That said, I really can&#039;t see an interpretation of &quot;Imagine&quot; that doesn&#039;t put at least part of its message in direct opposition to the Mormon view of what humanity needs in order to live in peace and unity.  While the ultimate ideal that &quot;Imagine&quot; espouses does have a lot in common with our notion of Zion, the song clearly prescribes atheism and abandonment of religion as steps toward &quot;Zion,&quot; whereas the Mormon view is that belief in and obedience to God and the practice of true religion are what is needed.  At least, that&#039;s my understanding of the Mormon view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamonte: <em>I believe the original premise of this post was to say that John Lennon’s song was anti-religion and anti-God. </em></p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not so much that I find &#8220;Imagine&#8221; so especially deserving of condemnation that I would devote a blog post to it.  It&#8217;s that the case of &#8220;Imagine&#8217;s&#8221; popularity among even believers illustrates some things I find interesting: that people often don&#8217;t understand something that they&#8217;re exposed to over and over, that people can embrace art that stands in opposition to their own personal beliefs, and how stealthily certain messages get propagated.  There are other works, I&#8217;m sure, besides &#8220;Imagine&#8221; that also illustrate the point.  It&#8217;s just that &#8220;Imagine&#8221; got me thinking about it so that&#8217;s what I used as an example.</p>
<p>That said, I really can&#8217;t see an interpretation of &#8220;Imagine&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t put at least part of its message in direct opposition to the Mormon view of what humanity needs in order to live in peace and unity.  While the ultimate ideal that &#8220;Imagine&#8221; espouses does have a lot in common with our notion of Zion, the song clearly prescribes atheism and abandonment of religion as steps toward &#8220;Zion,&#8221; whereas the Mormon view is that belief in and obedience to God and the practice of true religion are what is needed.  At least, that&#8217;s my understanding of the Mormon view.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Face it lamonte, you&#039;re biased because that scene from &quot;The Killing Fields&quot; still gets you choked up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Face it lamonte, you&#8217;re biased because that scene from &#8220;The Killing Fields&#8221; still gets you choked up.</p>
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		<title>By: lamonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you accuse me of trying to have the last word I won&#039;t disagree.  I believe the original premise of this post was to say that John Lennon&#039;s song was anti-religion and anti-God.  Anarchism has many faces including that of the communist and the Christian.  Devout Christians who have stated beliefs that there is no higher authority than God&#039;s authority are sometimes thought to be and accused of being anarchists.  And so we see that one could be a Christian AND an anarchist  But I&#039;m not sure there is any evidence, except perhaps the song in question, where Lennon expressed any kind of anarchist thoughts.  And that is not the premise of this post.

Clearly John Lennon lived a life contrary to what we believe to be in accordance with God&#039;s laws.  One might consider him to be a hypocrite for suggesting we live a life without possessions while he lived in the Dakota Apartments in Manhatten. But I suppose one could interpret the words to this song in more ways than one.  As a child of the 60&#039;s I guess I&#039;ve shown my true colors in the things that I&#039;ve said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you accuse me of trying to have the last word I won&#8217;t disagree.  I believe the original premise of this post was to say that John Lennon&#8217;s song was anti-religion and anti-God.  Anarchism has many faces including that of the communist and the Christian.  Devout Christians who have stated beliefs that there is no higher authority than God&#8217;s authority are sometimes thought to be and accused of being anarchists.  And so we see that one could be a Christian AND an anarchist  But I&#8217;m not sure there is any evidence, except perhaps the song in question, where Lennon expressed any kind of anarchist thoughts.  And that is not the premise of this post.</p>
<p>Clearly John Lennon lived a life contrary to what we believe to be in accordance with God&#8217;s laws.  One might consider him to be a hypocrite for suggesting we live a life without possessions while he lived in the Dakota Apartments in Manhatten. But I suppose one could interpret the words to this song in more ways than one.  As a child of the 60&#8242;s I guess I&#8217;ve shown my true colors in the things that I&#8217;ve said.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=446&#038;cpage=1#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamonte,
    Firstoff, Anarchism the official 19th century movement is much different than the love of chaos and disorder we have been conditioned to think of.  Anarchism has its roots near the genesis of communism, its main point of difference was the use of violence versus a voluntary communal society.  

    The song describes their aims precisely in that they belief in no government, no heaven, no hell, no organized religion as these were all things used to control people, no possessions as people should have all things common and only then could there be world peace.  

    Sure, this is a picture of a City of Enoch, Zion type scenario, but the aim was to do it simply by the goodwill of man, making it humanistic rather than religious.  It is humanistic, and denies the existence of God, or at least his involvement in man&#039;s affairs.  In many ways they adhere to the ideal of teaching correct principles and letting others govern themselves.

  They also had a strong belief in free love that I think would not have gone over very well in the City of Enoch.  In their eyes it was just another thing people fight over and use to control other people. 

   So yes, if you see much in common with our ideal of Zion it is because there is, and that does not make you and anarchist, as there are also clear differences.  I hope this clarifies any previous comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamonte,<br />
    Firstoff, Anarchism the official 19th century movement is much different than the love of chaos and disorder we have been conditioned to think of.  Anarchism has its roots near the genesis of communism, its main point of difference was the use of violence versus a voluntary communal society.  </p>
<p>    The song describes their aims precisely in that they belief in no government, no heaven, no hell, no organized religion as these were all things used to control people, no possessions as people should have all things common and only then could there be world peace.  </p>
<p>    Sure, this is a picture of a City of Enoch, Zion type scenario, but the aim was to do it simply by the goodwill of man, making it humanistic rather than religious.  It is humanistic, and denies the existence of God, or at least his involvement in man&#8217;s affairs.  In many ways they adhere to the ideal of teaching correct principles and letting others govern themselves.</p>
<p>  They also had a strong belief in free love that I think would not have gone over very well in the City of Enoch.  In their eyes it was just another thing people fight over and use to control other people. </p>
<p>   So yes, if you see much in common with our ideal of Zion it is because there is, and that does not make you and anarchist, as there are also clear differences.  I hope this clarifies any previous comments.</p>
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		<title>By: lamonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WasatchMan - I guess that&#039;s just an indication of the intelligence of George Will.  If he thinks &quot;Nothing kill or die for&quot; (there were 1.5 million murdered) and &quot;Living life in peace&quot; (did I say there were 1.5 million murdered?) describes the goals of the Khmer Rouge he should pay a visit to Cambodia where the skulls are still stacked high as a reminder.  The song doesn&#039;t describe a crude communist style society as was attempted by Pol Pot but rather a Zion-like society, with decent, caring people as achieved by Enoch and his people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WasatchMan &#8211; I guess that&#8217;s just an indication of the intelligence of George Will.  If he thinks &#8220;Nothing kill or die for&#8221; (there were 1.5 million murdered) and &#8220;Living life in peace&#8221; (did I say there were 1.5 million murdered?) describes the goals of the Khmer Rouge he should pay a visit to Cambodia where the skulls are still stacked high as a reminder.  The song doesn&#8217;t describe a crude communist style society as was attempted by Pol Pot but rather a Zion-like society, with decent, caring people as achieved by Enoch and his people.</p>
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		<title>By: WasatchMan</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=446&#038;cpage=1#comment-7553</link>
		<dc:creator>WasatchMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when&quot;Imagine&quot; was played over the closing credits of the movie &quot;The Killing Fields&quot; and one critic (I think it was George Will) noted how ironic that was, because the song describes exactly the world the Khmer Rouge tried to create in Cambodia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when&#8221;Imagine&#8221; was played over the closing credits of the movie &#8220;The Killing Fields&#8221; and one critic (I think it was George Will) noted how ironic that was, because the song describes exactly the world the Khmer Rouge tried to create in Cambodia.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
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		<dc:creator>danithew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamonte,

I recently discovered that a lot of popular songs have their own entries in wikipedia, which is awesome.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_(song)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Revolution&lt;/a&gt; is one of the many songs covered.

There are at least a few versions of Revolution.  Here&#039;s what wikipedia says about one of those versions:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Revolution 1&quot; contains a notable lyrical difference to the final &quot;Revolution&quot;: Lennon&#039;s vocal for the track adds the word &quot;in&quot; following the line &quot;When you talk about destruction/don&#039;t you know that you can count me out&quot;. Lennon said in interviews that he was undecided in his sentiments toward the song&#039;s theme so he included both options.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamonte,</p>
<p>I recently discovered that a lot of popular songs have their own entries in wikipedia, which is awesome.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_(song)" rel="nofollow">Revolution</a> is one of the many songs covered.</p>
<p>There are at least a few versions of Revolution.  Here&#8217;s what wikipedia says about one of those versions:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Revolution 1&#8243; contains a notable lyrical difference to the final &#8220;Revolution&#8221;: Lennon&#8217;s vocal for the track adds the word &#8220;in&#8221; following the line &#8220;When you talk about destruction/don&#8217;t you know that you can count me out&#8221;. Lennon said in interviews that he was undecided in his sentiments toward the song&#8217;s theme so he included both options.</p></blockquote>
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