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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-11193</link>
		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark B, 
So who you got in &#039;08? Obama, Edwards, McCain, Richardson, Perot? You can&#039;t just leave us hangin like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark B,<br />
So who you got in &#8217;08? Obama, Edwards, McCain, Richardson, Perot? You can&#8217;t just leave us hangin like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-11183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came late to this, and nobody will read my comment, but . . .

A lot of New Yorkers may indeed have been sick of Giuliani in summer 2001, but some of us remembered what the city had been like before him, and so, to paraphrase John Foster Dulles:  he may have been a son of a b****, but he was our son of a b****.

Look at the change in city budget, crime, quality of life (graffiti, panhandlers, window-washers/extortioners, hookers on 11th avenue, strip joints everywhere), etc. etc. and a lot of us would have voted to reelect Giuliani over say Mark Green or someone of his ilk who for all that appears would have brought back the great years under Dinkins.

Still, that doesn&#039;t translate into supporting him for President, in my book.

Clinton:  Too many Bushes and Clintons already.  Didn&#039;t we fight the Brits to get rid of hereditary monarchy?  A two-term Hillary would mean two families had run the WH for 28 years.  To paraphrase Cromwell, Gentlemen [and ladies], you have been here altogether too long.  In the name of God, go.

Romney:  What on earth is wrong with you?  The hunter thing makes you sound like blowhard Al Gore inventing the internet.  You&#039;re not a good ol&#039; boy (thank goodness for that!)--you grew up on the wealthy side of the tracks outside Detroit and you&#039;ve lived in Belmont Mass--not Southie and not Brookfield or North Adams.  Don&#039;t try to pretend that you drag out the old squirrel rifle on weekends and go out shooting varmints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came late to this, and nobody will read my comment, but . . .</p>
<p>A lot of New Yorkers may indeed have been sick of Giuliani in summer 2001, but some of us remembered what the city had been like before him, and so, to paraphrase John Foster Dulles:  he may have been a son of a b****, but he was our son of a b****.</p>
<p>Look at the change in city budget, crime, quality of life (graffiti, panhandlers, window-washers/extortioners, hookers on 11th avenue, strip joints everywhere), etc. etc. and a lot of us would have voted to reelect Giuliani over say Mark Green or someone of his ilk who for all that appears would have brought back the great years under Dinkins.</p>
<p>Still, that doesn&#8217;t translate into supporting him for President, in my book.</p>
<p>Clinton:  Too many Bushes and Clintons already.  Didn&#8217;t we fight the Brits to get rid of hereditary monarchy?  A two-term Hillary would mean two families had run the WH for 28 years.  To paraphrase Cromwell, Gentlemen [and ladies], you have been here altogether too long.  In the name of God, go.</p>
<p>Romney:  What on earth is wrong with you?  The hunter thing makes you sound like blowhard Al Gore inventing the internet.  You&#8217;re not a good ol&#8217; boy (thank goodness for that!)&#8211;you grew up on the wealthy side of the tracks outside Detroit and you&#8217;ve lived in Belmont Mass&#8211;not Southie and not Brookfield or North Adams.  Don&#8217;t try to pretend that you drag out the old squirrel rifle on weekends and go out shooting varmints.</p>
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		<title>By: John Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10447</link>
		<dc:creator>John Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Copedi

I think Richardson exagerrated his minor league baseball career.</description>
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<p>I think Richardson exagerrated his minor league baseball career.</p>
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		<title>By: Copedi</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10404</link>
		<dc:creator>Copedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I always have to be for the underdogs? I agree with the positive comments already made about Richardson. He&#039;s as experienced as they come. I dread the thought of electing another president who has no background in foreign policy, while Richardson has sound experience both in that arena and in being the head of an executive branch of government.

Of the candidates who have a reasonable chance of winning, I like Edwards a lot. I also recently read Obama&#039;s book, which he actually wrote, and I could easily see myself supporting him. I don&#039;t care for Clinton, but I can&#039;t tell you why other than that she&#039;s a lousy speaker. But I&#039;d vote for her over any Republican currently in the field.

As to Romney: I&#039;ve watched him on TV, and as a person I like him. He doesn&#039;t have the arrogant air of George Bush, and he comes across as more of a listener than the other GOP candidates. He&#039;s politically too conservative for my tastes, though, and his pandering bothers me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I always have to be for the underdogs? I agree with the positive comments already made about Richardson. He&#8217;s as experienced as they come. I dread the thought of electing another president who has no background in foreign policy, while Richardson has sound experience both in that arena and in being the head of an executive branch of government.</p>
<p>Of the candidates who have a reasonable chance of winning, I like Edwards a lot. I also recently read Obama&#8217;s book, which he actually wrote, and I could easily see myself supporting him. I don&#8217;t care for Clinton, but I can&#8217;t tell you why other than that she&#8217;s a lousy speaker. But I&#8217;d vote for her over any Republican currently in the field.</p>
<p>As to Romney: I&#8217;ve watched him on TV, and as a person I like him. He doesn&#8217;t have the arrogant air of George Bush, and he comes across as more of a listener than the other GOP candidates. He&#8217;s politically too conservative for my tastes, though, and his pandering bothers me.</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10377</link>
		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr. Richardson... you&#039;re no BIll Clinton&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Richardson&#8230; you&#8217;re no BIll Clinton&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah J.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, my characterization of Clinton in March 1991 is I think incorrect.  He had to comeback from a poor Iowa showing and a scandal before the NH primary, but he was considered a frontrunner in 1991.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, my characterization of Clinton in March 1991 is I think incorrect.  He had to comeback from a poor Iowa showing and a scandal before the NH primary, but he was considered a frontrunner in 1991.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah J.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Talk about darkhorses and underdogs should be reserved for the Final Four tournament, not presidential politics. Yeah, I know, it’s not fair that they have to raise so much money to even be a contender but that’s the reality that we’re living in so we’re not going to discuss that here.&quot;

We&#039;re talking in 2007.  This is exactly when we should be talking about dark horses.  2008 is the most wide-open presidential race in several *decades*.  Money doesn&#039;t guarantee anyone anything.  Three considerations:

--Where was Bill Clinton in March 1991?  John Kerry in March 2003?  Those were the last two nominees from a wide-open fields (no VP candidate and no son-of-a-president thing in their favor), and both came from behind.  In Clinton&#039;s case he was in no better shape than Bill Richardson is now.

--California is moving up its primary.  This may increase money advantages, but it also makes the race a more wide-open contest.  Connections with state party figures--made early on--are not going to matter as much in CA as they do in NH.

--We&#039;re citizens, not gamblers at a horse race.  Isn&#039;t there any period during which we can talk about candidate&#039;s qualities, regardless of current speculation on their chances, fundraising totals, etc.?  For people deciding whether to invest a lot of time or money to devote to a particular campaign, the herd mentality may make some sense.  But for ordinary citizens just *talking* about who they like best, it seems very strange to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Talk about darkhorses and underdogs should be reserved for the Final Four tournament, not presidential politics. Yeah, I know, it’s not fair that they have to raise so much money to even be a contender but that’s the reality that we’re living in so we’re not going to discuss that here.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking in 2007.  This is exactly when we should be talking about dark horses.  2008 is the most wide-open presidential race in several *decades*.  Money doesn&#8217;t guarantee anyone anything.  Three considerations:</p>
<p>&#8211;Where was Bill Clinton in March 1991?  John Kerry in March 2003?  Those were the last two nominees from a wide-open fields (no VP candidate and no son-of-a-president thing in their favor), and both came from behind.  In Clinton&#8217;s case he was in no better shape than Bill Richardson is now.</p>
<p>&#8211;California is moving up its primary.  This may increase money advantages, but it also makes the race a more wide-open contest.  Connections with state party figures&#8211;made early on&#8211;are not going to matter as much in CA as they do in NH.</p>
<p>&#8211;We&#8217;re citizens, not gamblers at a horse race.  Isn&#8217;t there any period during which we can talk about candidate&#8217;s qualities, regardless of current speculation on their chances, fundraising totals, etc.?  For people deciding whether to invest a lot of time or money to devote to a particular campaign, the herd mentality may make some sense.  But for ordinary citizens just *talking* about who they like best, it seems very strange to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10331</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Romney.  Now he&#039;s trying to say that he&#039;s always hunted &quot;varmints&quot;.  Romney needs to get comfortable with who he is, a slick, wealthy, deal-maker who has nothing in common with rural Southerners.  Pretending to be a hunter is sort of like Dukakis in the tank: not believable.  Why doesn&#039;t he realize that the country doesn&#039;t need or want another buffoon who wears cowboy boots and clears brush and makes up stupid nicknames for everyone. Famous hunters like Cheney and Scalia are not popular with the American people these days (nor with real hunters who would disdain the game preserves these &quot;gentlemen&quot; frequent).  He should stick to &quot;competence&quot; and forget about these trivial culture questions that are just traps for him.  Of course, I&#039;m of the opinion that the last thing we need is another MBA president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Romney.  Now he&#8217;s trying to say that he&#8217;s always hunted &#8220;varmints&#8221;.  Romney needs to get comfortable with who he is, a slick, wealthy, deal-maker who has nothing in common with rural Southerners.  Pretending to be a hunter is sort of like Dukakis in the tank: not believable.  Why doesn&#8217;t he realize that the country doesn&#8217;t need or want another buffoon who wears cowboy boots and clears brush and makes up stupid nicknames for everyone. Famous hunters like Cheney and Scalia are not popular with the American people these days (nor with real hunters who would disdain the game preserves these &#8220;gentlemen&#8221; frequent).  He should stick to &#8220;competence&#8221; and forget about these trivial culture questions that are just traps for him.  Of course, I&#8217;m of the opinion that the last thing we need is another MBA president.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10327</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having said that, I also don&#039;t know enough about each candidate but from what I&#039;ve gathered:
Hillary--No thanks. Every statement and move she makes has been made for her candidicy. 
Edwards--Yeah sure, whatever. 
Obama--I&#039;ve liked him since long before he began being considered for running. Though I he needs to put out some actual opinions on what his plans are for the country before I could get behind him.
Guiliani--Meh, I&#039;m with everything most everyone said about him here.
McCain--HELLO!? His name is CAIN for crying out loud!
Romney--With Rusty&#039;s opinion, though I&#039;m not too fond of this recent NRA charade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said that, I also don&#8217;t know enough about each candidate but from what I&#8217;ve gathered:<br />
Hillary&#8211;No thanks. Every statement and move she makes has been made for her candidicy.<br />
Edwards&#8211;Yeah sure, whatever.<br />
Obama&#8211;I&#8217;ve liked him since long before he began being considered for running. Though I he needs to put out some actual opinions on what his plans are for the country before I could get behind him.<br />
Guiliani&#8211;Meh, I&#8217;m with everything most everyone said about him here.<br />
McCain&#8211;HELLO!? His name is CAIN for crying out loud!<br />
Romney&#8211;With Rusty&#8217;s opinion, though I&#8217;m not too fond of this recent NRA charade.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=494&#038;cpage=1#comment-10325</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty,
Though I fing this topic highly fascinating, I&#039;m a little confused as to why it&#039;s on a gospel topics blog. 
Or does this have to do with buying refurbished electronics? If so, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty,<br />
Though I fing this topic highly fascinating, I&#8217;m a little confused as to why it&#8217;s on a gospel topics blog.<br />
Or does this have to do with buying refurbished electronics? If so, sorry.</p>
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