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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10883</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Jeremiah,

The Catholic church takes a ton of crap from all sorts of media.

Can you imagine if the movie &quot;The Exorcist&quot; had been about a Mormon bishop instead of a Catholic priest? What about that Sean Connery movie &quot;Name of the Rose?&quot; Not to mention &quot;The Da Vinci Code.&quot; The list goes on.

The Mormons have &quot;The Godmakers&quot; but it doesn&#039;t even come close to the volume of negativity Catholicism gets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Jeremiah,</p>
<p>The Catholic church takes a ton of crap from all sorts of media.</p>
<p>Can you imagine if the movie &#8220;The Exorcist&#8221; had been about a Mormon bishop instead of a Catholic priest? What about that Sean Connery movie &#8220;Name of the Rose?&#8221; Not to mention &#8220;The Da Vinci Code.&#8221; The list goes on.</p>
<p>The Mormons have &#8220;The Godmakers&#8221; but it doesn&#8217;t even come close to the volume of negativity Catholicism gets.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamonte</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10861</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I watched the Chris MAtthews Show yesterday morning on NBC and they didn&#039;t mention the Mormon church once.  There were positive comments about Mitt Romney and his ability to raise vast sums of campaign money but there were also critical comments of Mitt because of his most recent gaffe claiming to be a &quot;life long hunter&quot; despite almost no actual experience in hunting.

If Mitt Romney doesn&#039;t get the Republican nomination I don&#039;t think it will be because of anti-Mormon sentiment.  It will be because of his own blunders and his tendency to switch his position on issues depending on the audience he&#039;s speaking too.  It seems to me that some of his recent record has done as much to damage the reputation of Mormons as any anti-Mormon sentiment expressed by ignorant bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I watched the Chris MAtthews Show yesterday morning on NBC and they didn&#8217;t mention the Mormon church once.  There were positive comments about Mitt Romney and his ability to raise vast sums of campaign money but there were also critical comments of Mitt because of his most recent gaffe claiming to be a &#8220;life long hunter&#8221; despite almost no actual experience in hunting.</p>
<p>If Mitt Romney doesn&#8217;t get the Republican nomination I don&#8217;t think it will be because of anti-Mormon sentiment.  It will be because of his own blunders and his tendency to switch his position on issues depending on the audience he&#8217;s speaking too.  It seems to me that some of his recent record has done as much to damage the reputation of Mormons as any anti-Mormon sentiment expressed by ignorant bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam B</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10733</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Rusty.  Except that I&#039;m most offended when the MSM (because, frankly, it&#039;s not just blogs--it&#039;s the mainstream) are so lazy that they get things wrong.  Stuff that&#039;s not that hard to find out (and if it hadn&#039;t been such a long weekend and I weren&#039;t exhausted, I&#039;d think of an example).  Stuff that a simple fact-check--probably even to Wikipedia--could help them get right.  Because to me that says not only that Mormons are weird, but that we&#039;re weird and irrelvant enough to do a little research on.  I&#039;ll blow of an anti- or ex-; I could care less about them.  But laziness . . . .  I mean, it&#039;s your freakin&#039; job, MSM, to get the background right.

But I rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Rusty.  Except that I&#8217;m most offended when the MSM (because, frankly, it&#8217;s not just blogs&#8211;it&#8217;s the mainstream) are so lazy that they get things wrong.  Stuff that&#8217;s not that hard to find out (and if it hadn&#8217;t been such a long weekend and I weren&#8217;t exhausted, I&#8217;d think of an example).  Stuff that a simple fact-check&#8211;probably even to Wikipedia&#8211;could help them get right.  Because to me that says not only that Mormons are weird, but that we&#8217;re weird and irrelvant enough to do a little research on.  I&#8217;ll blow of an anti- or ex-; I could care less about them.  But laziness . . . .  I mean, it&#8217;s your freakin&#8217; job, MSM, to get the background right.</p>
<p>But I rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah J.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10730</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ: &quot;For example, when we talk about Catholics, we don’t talk about of the inquisition, the crusades or anti-semitism.&quot;

Who says &#039;we&#039; don&#039;t talk about those things?  After the sex abuse scandal, Maureen Dowd compared the priesthood of the Catholic church to the Taliban.  Mentioning the Inquisition when criticizing religion (especially Catholicism) has got to be almost as hackneyed as comparing very bad people to Hitler.  If blogs are your standard, then there are plenty of anti-Catholic sites out there to pick from.  Indeed, some Catholics think *they* are singled out for abuse (most believers are a lot more familiar with criticisms of their own religion than they are of criticisms of other religions, so they think the former are more prevalent).  But rude, ignorant comments about just about everyone and everything are easily found on the internet.  So I think that we are treated surprisingly well for a movement that claims between 1 and 2% of the U.S. population, and I also don&#039;t think that the kind of hyper-sensitive religious discourse which sees discussions of polygamy, racism, etc. as taboo is healthy in a democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ: &#8220;For example, when we talk about Catholics, we don’t talk about of the inquisition, the crusades or anti-semitism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who says &#8216;we&#8217; don&#8217;t talk about those things?  After the sex abuse scandal, Maureen Dowd compared the priesthood of the Catholic church to the Taliban.  Mentioning the Inquisition when criticizing religion (especially Catholicism) has got to be almost as hackneyed as comparing very bad people to Hitler.  If blogs are your standard, then there are plenty of anti-Catholic sites out there to pick from.  Indeed, some Catholics think *they* are singled out for abuse (most believers are a lot more familiar with criticisms of their own religion than they are of criticisms of other religions, so they think the former are more prevalent).  But rude, ignorant comments about just about everyone and everything are easily found on the internet.  So I think that we are treated surprisingly well for a movement that claims between 1 and 2% of the U.S. population, and I also don&#8217;t think that the kind of hyper-sensitive religious discourse which sees discussions of polygamy, racism, etc. as taboo is healthy in a democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10703</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last Lemming, Jeremiah J, media, John Williams,
Well, I guess when I was talking about who encapsulates the Mormons in the manner that I said above I was thinking less those who write for established/legitimate publications and more those who write and comment on less-established publications and blogs. I recognize that professional journalists don&#039;t treat us that way, even if they privately feel otherwise.

John Williams,
I think I could have written your first four paragraphs because I completely agree with them. But I certainly am not trying to run away from &quot;the reality of our church&#039;s past,&quot; rather I think a peepstone in a hat has virtually nothing to do with what it means to be a member of the Church. What I&#039;m saying is that many/most members don&#039;t know about the peepstone, yet somehow they still live the Mormon lifestyle, still try to follow the commandments and most importantly they still believe in the Atonement. If someone were to ask you &quot;in fifty words or less describe the Mormon religion&quot; I&#039;m doubting &quot;peepstone&quot; would find it&#039;s way in that description, and I imagine the reason is because it&#039;s not who we are, it has little/nothing to do with our beliefs and has no bearing on how we make our decisions that determine our lives. 

CJ,
Exactly, that&#039;s my exact point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Lemming, Jeremiah J, media, John Williams,<br />
Well, I guess when I was talking about who encapsulates the Mormons in the manner that I said above I was thinking less those who write for established/legitimate publications and more those who write and comment on less-established publications and blogs. I recognize that professional journalists don&#8217;t treat us that way, even if they privately feel otherwise.</p>
<p>John Williams,<br />
I think I could have written your first four paragraphs because I completely agree with them. But I certainly am not trying to run away from &#8220;the reality of our church&#8217;s past,&#8221; rather I think a peepstone in a hat has virtually nothing to do with what it means to be a member of the Church. What I&#8217;m saying is that many/most members don&#8217;t know about the peepstone, yet somehow they still live the Mormon lifestyle, still try to follow the commandments and most importantly they still believe in the Atonement. If someone were to ask you &#8220;in fifty words or less describe the Mormon religion&#8221; I&#8217;m doubting &#8220;peepstone&#8221; would find it&#8217;s way in that description, and I imagine the reason is because it&#8217;s not who we are, it has little/nothing to do with our beliefs and has no bearing on how we make our decisions that determine our lives. </p>
<p>CJ,<br />
Exactly, that&#8217;s my exact point.</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10694</link>
		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to remember that while the  mainstream media are for the most part tactful and respectful, we now live in an age of &lt;em&gt;mass&lt;/em&gt; media. In other words, people go to many different places to obtain information. Often that info comes from blogs and other sort of &quot;news&quot; services which have no obligation to be fair or respectful. Also, I think we&#039;re missing Rusty&#039;s main point. For example, when we talk about Catholics, we don&#039;t talk about of the inquisition, the crusades or anti-semetism. Why? Because these past practices and doctrines have almost nothing to do with what Catholics actually believe and do on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that while the  mainstream media are for the most part tactful and respectful, we now live in an age of <em>mass</em> media. In other words, people go to many different places to obtain information. Often that info comes from blogs and other sort of &#8220;news&#8221; services which have no obligation to be fair or respectful. Also, I think we&#8217;re missing Rusty&#8217;s main point. For example, when we talk about Catholics, we don&#8217;t talk about of the inquisition, the crusades or anti-semetism. Why? Because these past practices and doctrines have almost nothing to do with what Catholics actually believe and do on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: John Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10639</link>
		<dc:creator>John Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rusty,

&lt;em&gt;We&lt;/em&gt; can&#039;t have it both ways.  We have to accept that our Church has some pretty radical doctrines.  

I don&#039;t think that I knew that Joseph Smith was a polygamist when I went on my mission.  Later I learned that not only was he a polygamist, but some of his wives were teens and some were married to other men.  It&#039;s a little shocking.  But it&#039;s true.  

And that&#039;s just the tip of the iceberg.  There&#039;s the magic peep stone in the hat B of M translating, the Book of Abraham papyri, the Kinderhook plates, the non-existence of the Word of Wisdom until the 20th century, blacks and the priesthood, and now Lamanite DNA.

So what do we do?  We need to embrace these things, not run away from them.  I still believe in this Church; my testimony is just more nuanced than it was when I was in high school and saw things (quite arrogantly, I suppose) in black and white.  But I&#039;d say it&#039;s just as strong.

You seem to want to run away from the reality of our Church&#039;s past, as if you want to deny that anything radical was ever institued by Joseph Smith.  Bizarre things happened and they are noteworthy.  I&#039;m not really bothered that they happened; indeed I find them interesting.  And it&#039;s possible to embrace them and still be a believing Latter-day Saint.  The odd things don&#039;t bother me so much as the cover-up by the Church that they ever happened.  Like I said, when I was a missionary I don&#039;t think I knew that Joseph Smith was ever a polygamist.  I probably just thought that Brigham Young was.

I actually think it&#039;s wonderful that the Internet is uncovering all of this uncomfortable information.  If we are indeed the true Church, we shouldn&#039;t be afraid of anything, not even the warts.  

And I think you&#039;re wrong about the media.  It has been respectful about the Church as it has covered Mitt Romney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rusty,</p>
<p><em>We</em> can&#8217;t have it both ways.  We have to accept that our Church has some pretty radical doctrines.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that I knew that Joseph Smith was a polygamist when I went on my mission.  Later I learned that not only was he a polygamist, but some of his wives were teens and some were married to other men.  It&#8217;s a little shocking.  But it&#8217;s true.  </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just the tip of the iceberg.  There&#8217;s the magic peep stone in the hat B of M translating, the Book of Abraham papyri, the Kinderhook plates, the non-existence of the Word of Wisdom until the 20th century, blacks and the priesthood, and now Lamanite DNA.</p>
<p>So what do we do?  We need to embrace these things, not run away from them.  I still believe in this Church; my testimony is just more nuanced than it was when I was in high school and saw things (quite arrogantly, I suppose) in black and white.  But I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s just as strong.</p>
<p>You seem to want to run away from the reality of our Church&#8217;s past, as if you want to deny that anything radical was ever institued by Joseph Smith.  Bizarre things happened and they are noteworthy.  I&#8217;m not really bothered that they happened; indeed I find them interesting.  And it&#8217;s possible to embrace them and still be a believing Latter-day Saint.  The odd things don&#8217;t bother me so much as the cover-up by the Church that they ever happened.  Like I said, when I was a missionary I don&#8217;t think I knew that Joseph Smith was ever a polygamist.  I probably just thought that Brigham Young was.</p>
<p>I actually think it&#8217;s wonderful that the Internet is uncovering all of this uncomfortable information.  If we are indeed the true Church, we shouldn&#8217;t be afraid of anything, not even the warts.  </p>
<p>And I think you&#8217;re wrong about the media.  It has been respectful about the Church as it has covered Mitt Romney.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10609</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it’s only going to get worse. The more serious a candidate Romney becomes, the deeper the knife will cut, even if its criticisms are not intended in an overly hostile way. What I mean to say is, if a major presidential candidate participated, on occasion, in secret religious rituals, it would probably catch my eye if an internet site/documentary were to discuss a few of the details of that ritual, showing pictures of people wearing the clothing that this candidate wears and citing some of the things that the candidate says. Whatever I thought of that candidate beforehand, knowing that he actively participates in all that stuff would probably leave me thinking he’s a bit too weird to be President of the United States. 

(In addition to any consideration of ever joining the church. How many converts would have joined if they had been told the details of the temple in the first discussion? What will missionary work be like in a post-Mitt world?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it’s only going to get worse. The more serious a candidate Romney becomes, the deeper the knife will cut, even if its criticisms are not intended in an overly hostile way. What I mean to say is, if a major presidential candidate participated, on occasion, in secret religious rituals, it would probably catch my eye if an internet site/documentary were to discuss a few of the details of that ritual, showing pictures of people wearing the clothing that this candidate wears and citing some of the things that the candidate says. Whatever I thought of that candidate beforehand, knowing that he actively participates in all that stuff would probably leave me thinking he’s a bit too weird to be President of the United States. </p>
<p>(In addition to any consideration of ever joining the church. How many converts would have joined if they had been told the details of the temple in the first discussion? What will missionary work be like in a post-Mitt world?)</p>
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		<title>By: the DAMU</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10605</link>
		<dc:creator>the DAMU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am somewhat offended that you try to ascribe those kinds of statements to the DAMU. We are not the media, we are merely expressing our opinions - something anybody with a computer and a blog can do. What people do with those opinions is none of our business. 

signed,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am somewhat offended that you try to ascribe those kinds of statements to the DAMU. We are not the media, we are merely expressing our opinions &#8211; something anybody with a computer and a blog can do. What people do with those opinions is none of our business. </p>
<p>signed,</p>
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		<title>By: the media</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-10596</link>
		<dc:creator>the media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am somewhat offended that you try to encapsulate every journalist as being me...if you feel you are being described unfairly by &#039;me,&#039; perhaps you should ask yourself why...

signed,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am somewhat offended that you try to encapsulate every journalist as being me&#8230;if you feel you are being described unfairly by &#8216;me,&#8217; perhaps you should ask yourself why&#8230;</p>
<p>signed,</p>
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