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	<title>Comments on: When It&#8217;s OK to Invite Ward Members to Political Get-togethers</title>
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		<title>By: jjohnsen</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13121</link>
		<dc:creator>jjohnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can say from experience there are few things more annoying than having someone organize for a specific candidate or party during a church meeting (Sunday School in my case).  It&#039;s hard enough being someone that leans slightly left in Davis County Utah, having comments about Democrats being Satan&#039;s party during a Sunday School lesson, while planning a Republican get-together close to an election left a bad taste in my mouth that is still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can say from experience there are few things more annoying than having someone organize for a specific candidate or party during a church meeting (Sunday School in my case).  It&#8217;s hard enough being someone that leans slightly left in Davis County Utah, having comments about Democrats being Satan&#8217;s party during a Sunday School lesson, while planning a Republican get-together close to an election left a bad taste in my mouth that is still there.</p>
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		<title>By: Keryn</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13086</link>
		<dc:creator>Keryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to all of your points.

My husband and I are pretty big political nerds (conservative), and we are very interested in understanding people with different viewpoints than us, especially those we know are marvelous, temple-recommend-bearing, trying-to-build-up-Zion types.  Just before the 2004 presidential election, we invited some friends over for a &quot;political FHE&quot; and had them tell us about why they usually choose to vote for Democrats.  It was an interesting and relaxed evening, and we came away with a better understanding of their political views.  
However, I certainly would only do this with people I know and feel VERY comfortable with.  Yikes to offending someone in your ward over politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to all of your points.</p>
<p>My husband and I are pretty big political nerds (conservative), and we are very interested in understanding people with different viewpoints than us, especially those we know are marvelous, temple-recommend-bearing, trying-to-build-up-Zion types.  Just before the 2004 presidential election, we invited some friends over for a &#8220;political FHE&#8221; and had them tell us about why they usually choose to vote for Democrats.  It was an interesting and relaxed evening, and we came away with a better understanding of their political views.<br />
However, I certainly would only do this with people I know and feel VERY comfortable with.  Yikes to offending someone in your ward over politics.</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13044</link>
		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I try to send enough mixed signals that nobody can figure out where I stand.&lt;/em&gt;

Amen Mark but what about ward members who have known you for years before you became bishop/SP? Certainly at that point your politics should be discreet (if they weren&#039;t already) but it doesn&#039;t erase what people already know about you. And BTW, I&#039;ve always known that the tight haircut and stiff demeanor were smokescreens to conceal your radically liberal agenda. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I try to send enough mixed signals that nobody can figure out where I stand.</em></p>
<p>Amen Mark but what about ward members who have known you for years before you became bishop/SP? Certainly at that point your politics should be discreet (if they weren&#8217;t already) but it doesn&#8217;t erase what people already know about you. And BTW, I&#8217;ve always known that the tight haircut and stiff demeanor were smokescreens to conceal your radically liberal agenda. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13027</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 22:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would retype your third point in bold, all caps with double underscore.

I think bishops, stake presidents and others in such leadership positions should be like the old army--completely apolitical.  Well, let them vote, but it had better be a secret ballot.  And nobody, absolutely nobody except their wives, should know what their politics are.

I try to send enough mixed signals that nobody can figure out where I stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would retype your third point in bold, all caps with double underscore.</p>
<p>I think bishops, stake presidents and others in such leadership positions should be like the old army&#8211;completely apolitical.  Well, let them vote, but it had better be a secret ballot.  And nobody, absolutely nobody except their wives, should know what their politics are.</p>
<p>I try to send enough mixed signals that nobody can figure out where I stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13015</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 20:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ECS,
It&#039;s funny that you mention debate parties because it was an email invitation to a debate party that was the impetus for this post.  The fact that my wife and I were invited means that the inviters were casting the net pretty wide.  One of the invited ward members, who seems to be liberal, replied to the whole list that they were declining the invitation because they found the positions of a certain candidate mentioned in the invite to not be in agreement with Gospel teachings.

I don&#039;t know how this will play out.  Hopefully there won&#039;t be too much trouble.  But the potential for trouble is there and it could have been avoided by following my guidelines.

Susan,
I was kind of surprised that people have debate parties.  I would never think of doing such a thing.  I get people together to watch sports and have fun, not scoff at the stupid things the cynical idiot politicians say to trick people into voting for them.  But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe it would just be me scoffing at the stupid debate, which is why I will definitely not be at the party.  Nobody wants a party pooping cynic around.

For the record, I scoff at cynical idiot politicians from both parties, though I probably scoff at Democrats a little more than at Republicans.  You can take a man out of Utah, but it&#039;s hard to take Utah out of the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ECS,<br />
It&#8217;s funny that you mention debate parties because it was an email invitation to a debate party that was the impetus for this post.  The fact that my wife and I were invited means that the inviters were casting the net pretty wide.  One of the invited ward members, who seems to be liberal, replied to the whole list that they were declining the invitation because they found the positions of a certain candidate mentioned in the invite to not be in agreement with Gospel teachings.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how this will play out.  Hopefully there won&#8217;t be too much trouble.  But the potential for trouble is there and it could have been avoided by following my guidelines.</p>
<p>Susan,<br />
I was kind of surprised that people have debate parties.  I would never think of doing such a thing.  I get people together to watch sports and have fun, not scoff at the stupid things the cynical idiot politicians say to trick people into voting for them.  But hey, whatever floats your boat.</p>
<p>Maybe it would just be me scoffing at the stupid debate, which is why I will definitely not be at the party.  Nobody wants a party pooping cynic around.</p>
<p>For the record, I scoff at cynical idiot politicians from both parties, though I probably scoff at Democrats a little more than at Republicans.  You can take a man out of Utah, but it&#8217;s hard to take Utah out of the man.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13012</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 19:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have political get-togethers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have political get-togethers?</p>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-13001</link>
		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 18:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice, Tom.  Being in a political minority usually means being in an awkward social position in the Church.  Once people find out your political views/affiliation, it can mean, for instance, that you don&#039;t get invited to watch the Republican debate with your Ward friends, and no one wants to come over to your house to watch the Democratic debate.  It&#039;s important not to divide our Church community along political lines, and I think a higher level of tolerance for our friends&#039; political opinions is necessary.  Trouble is, most polite political discussions usually get around to abortion and homosexual marriage, and then all Hell breaks loose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice, Tom.  Being in a political minority usually means being in an awkward social position in the Church.  Once people find out your political views/affiliation, it can mean, for instance, that you don&#8217;t get invited to watch the Republican debate with your Ward friends, and no one wants to come over to your house to watch the Democratic debate.  It&#8217;s important not to divide our Church community along political lines, and I think a higher level of tolerance for our friends&#8217; political opinions is necessary.  Trouble is, most polite political discussions usually get around to abortion and homosexual marriage, and then all Hell breaks loose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=518&#038;cpage=1#comment-12996</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also aware that some people claim that the Church already is steeped in secular politics.  I would prefer to avoid that debate here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also aware that some people claim that the Church already is steeped in secular politics.  I would prefer to avoid that debate here.</p>
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