Comments on: Non-Mormon Bible Study Scratches Me Where I Itch. http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549 Tue, 21 May 2013 21:34:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Jettboy http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16339 Jettboy Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:35:40 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16339 Kurt, thanks for that link. Seems to be a great resource. My biggest (preliminary) concern is over doing the synopsis of the Scriptural stories. Other than that, it has promise. Kurt, thanks for that link. Seems to be a great resource. My biggest (preliminary) concern is over doing the synopsis of the Scriptural stories. Other than that, it has promise.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16263 Kurt Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:40:26 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16263 I've written up a fair amount of commentary on Biblical books and the LDS-only stuff as well, which is all located here: http://www.ldsgospeldoctrine.net/exegesis.html Some comments are more polished than others. My comments on Isaiah and some of the other OT Minor Prophets draw on numerous non-LDS sources and are among the more comprehensive. If I live long enough, I plan on finishing the entire thing and getting them all set up as print-ready PDFs, like the comments on the D&C. Don is quite right about the typical LDS reactions and the general lack of LDS-sourced material on the Bible. It would be a duplication of existing material. The problem is, as others have pointed out above, that you have to pick through a lot of Biblical commentaries to get good stuff. And, while some commentaries are better than others, not all in a particular series are going to be good and worthwhile. What is boils down to is you have to invest a lot of time reading and picking through things on your own, sorting the wheat from the chaff. There is no easy solution here, but if you spend the time, it will be well worth it and you will be an asset to your GD class. Most decent sized local libraries will have smattering of various Bible commentaries. Go and check some out and peruse them and see which ones have value and which dont. When you find some you like, then pick them up at used book stores and online at abebooks.com and you will end up with an ecclectic collection of references to resort to. I’ve written up a fair amount of commentary on Biblical books and the LDS-only stuff as well, which is all located here:

http://www.ldsgospeldoctrine.net/exegesis.html

Some comments are more polished than others. My comments on Isaiah and some of the other OT Minor Prophets draw on numerous non-LDS sources and are among the more comprehensive. If I live long enough, I plan on finishing the entire thing and getting them all set up as print-ready PDFs, like the comments on the D&C.

Don is quite right about the typical LDS reactions and the general lack of LDS-sourced material on the Bible. It would be a duplication of existing material. The problem is, as others have pointed out above, that you have to pick through a lot of Biblical commentaries to get good stuff. And, while some commentaries are better than others, not all in a particular series are going to be good and worthwhile.

What is boils down to is you have to invest a lot of time reading and picking through things on your own, sorting the wheat from the chaff. There is no easy solution here, but if you spend the time, it will be well worth it and you will be an asset to your GD class. Most decent sized local libraries will have smattering of various Bible commentaries. Go and check some out and peruse them and see which ones have value and which dont. When you find some you like, then pick them up at used book stores and online at abebooks.com and you will end up with an ecclectic collection of references to resort to.

]]> By: garry http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16200 garry Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:49:44 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16200 being a convert from mainstream christianity, i would have a tendency to view not only an outside bible study with suspicion i.e. if they are so dang sharp, then why aren't they LDS, and i would have a tendency to view with concern a desire to seek wisdom there when i see small children in the LDS church who understand more about God and eternity than the best they have to offer. i did run across an extremely interesting non-lds christian guy by the name of brent walters though who purportedly has the world's largest private collection of early christian literature. i think he was or is a prof at sjsu or something like that. could probably google it. it is amazing how close some of the stuff he has come up with lines up with lds thought although in talking to him he categorically rejects any connection to the church, but i get the impression he tends to have a mental block against the idea... very brilliant guy though. being a convert from mainstream christianity, i would have a tendency to view not only an outside bible study with suspicion i.e. if they are so dang sharp, then why aren’t they LDS, and i would have a tendency to view with concern a desire to seek wisdom there when i see small children in the LDS church who understand more about God and eternity than the best they have to offer.

i did run across an extremely interesting non-lds christian guy by the name of brent walters though who purportedly has the world’s largest private collection of early christian literature.

i think he was or is a prof at sjsu or something like that. could probably google it.

it is amazing how close some of the stuff he has come up with lines up with lds thought although in talking to him he categorically rejects any connection to the church, but i get the impression he tends to have a mental block against the idea… very brilliant guy though.

]]> By: Nitsav http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16174 Nitsav Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:57 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16174 There is a website trying to do some more in-depth commentary. http://feastuponthewordblog.org/ and http://feastupontheword.org/Home There is a website trying to do some more in-depth commentary.

http://feastuponthewordblog.org/

and http://feastupontheword.org/Home

]]> By: Jothan http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16172 Jothan Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:22:41 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16172 I find it refreshing that there are other faithful LDS that seek learning in whatever means God has made available be it both LDS or Non-LDS sources. I am a faithful LDS and I love to study truth whereever I can find it. I love my infobase and gospelinks libraries and I study many non-LDS sources as well. I have found that many of these non-LDS sources are many times inspired by God to administer to His children. I am full aware of the lack of knowledge and learning among general LDS members and their resistance to any original inspired thought outside church manuals. I often try to share some insights in our GD class and am sometimes wrongly considered an apostate for my thoughts or insights. I wish we had an advanced GD class where we could openly share thoughts and insights freely to better uplift and edify one another. Our current GD teacher is an Elderly Sister that just reads through the manual and does not allow any other thoughts than those displayed in the manual. I can't wait for Christ to come and set things in order. How wonderful it will be then. I find it refreshing that there are other faithful LDS that seek learning in whatever means God has made available be it both LDS or Non-LDS sources. I am a faithful LDS and I love to study truth whereever I can find it. I love my infobase and gospelinks libraries and I study many non-LDS sources as well. I have found that many of these non-LDS sources are many times inspired by God to administer to His children.

I am full aware of the lack of knowledge and learning among general LDS members and their resistance to any original inspired thought outside church manuals.

I often try to share some insights in our GD class and am sometimes wrongly considered an apostate for my thoughts or insights.

I wish we had an advanced GD class where we could openly share thoughts and insights freely to better uplift and edify one another.

Our current GD teacher is an Elderly Sister that just reads through the manual and does not allow any other thoughts than those displayed in the manual.

I can’t wait for Christ to come and set things in order.

How wonderful it will be then.

]]> By: John Mansfield http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16171 John Mansfield Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:08:31 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16171 I have a question for Kevin Barney and other in-depth advocates. How do you keep from going so far in depth that you are finding things that aren't there? A particular, common LDS version of this is when we take an Isaiah chapter from the Book of Mormon, or a JST modification of the New Testament, and obsess over how changing a few words illuminates everything, and without the modification we'd be mired in the darkness covering the world thanks to those mistranslating scribes. There are times I've listened to a teacher belabor every little thing to the point I feel like they're making stuff up. I have a question for Kevin Barney and other in-depth advocates. How do you keep from going so far in depth that you are finding things that aren’t there? A particular, common LDS version of this is when we take an Isaiah chapter from the Book of Mormon, or a JST modification of the New Testament, and obsess over how changing a few words illuminates everything, and without the modification we’d be mired in the darkness covering the world thanks to those mistranslating scribes.

There are times I’ve listened to a teacher belabor every little thing to the point I feel like they’re making stuff up.

]]> By: Jettboy http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16167 Jettboy Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:31:48 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16167 "The LDS publisher who originally was going to publish it in the end determined that it would be way too long and too scholarly to fly in the LDS market." Ouch, that is sad. I don't know if it is an audience thing or a publisher thing. You also said you agreed. Why? “The LDS publisher who originally was going to publish it in the end determined that it would be way too long and too scholarly to fly in the LDS market.”

Ouch, that is sad. I don’t know if it is an audience thing or a publisher thing. You also said you agreed. Why?

]]> By: Eliza Roxcy http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16158 Eliza Roxcy Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:44:59 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16158 Just coming out of lurking to second comment number 23. I would love a sort of online commentary/blog thingy were started. It could easily allow for the combination of scholarly LDS and non LDS commentary and I would love to have something like that as a resource for in-depth scripture study. I would be pleased to help in any way I can to get something like this going. Just coming out of lurking to second comment number 23. I would love a sort of online commentary/blog thingy were started. It could easily allow for the combination of scholarly LDS and non LDS commentary and I would love to have something like that as a resource for in-depth scripture study. I would be pleased to help in any way I can to get something like this going.

]]> By: Don http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16139 Don Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:22:34 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16139 Kevin, I do the same. I like teaching in depth instead of skimming thru a few things just to get thru the material. And like you I get more positive comments with this approach. I wonder if an online / blog in depth study could be started? I don't know what format, or how, but just a thought....any ideas?, any interest? Kevin, I do the same. I like teaching in depth instead of skimming thru a few things just to get thru the material. And like you I get more positive comments with this approach.

I wonder if an online / blog in depth study could be started? I don’t know what format, or how, but just a thought….any ideas?, any interest?

]]> By: Kevin Barney http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=549&cpage=1#comment-16138 Kevin Barney Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:56:46 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/06/09/non-mormon-bible-study-scratches-me-where-i-itch/#comment-16138 As J. Stapley mentions, I tried to write such a verse by verse treatment of the NT from an LDS perspective. I think of this as more of a set of explanatory notes than a full-blown commentary. The LDS publisher who originally was going to publish it in the end determined that it would be way too long and too scholarly to fly in the LDS market. And you know, I really couldn't disagree with them. When I teach GD, I often will do a quick overview of the reading assignment but then focus on a much smaller block of text and dig into it verse by verse the way a non-LDS Bible study group would do it. I find that people almost always love this approach. I think it is great that you attend a Bible study with your son. Good for the both of you. As J. Stapley mentions, I tried to write such a verse by verse treatment of the NT from an LDS perspective. I think of this as more of a set of explanatory notes than a full-blown commentary. The LDS publisher who originally was going to publish it in the end determined that it would be way too long and too scholarly to fly in the LDS market. And you know, I really couldn’t disagree with them.

When I teach GD, I often will do a quick overview of the reading assignment but then focus on a much smaller block of text and dig into it verse by verse the way a non-LDS Bible study group would do it. I find that people almost always love this approach.

I think it is great that you attend a Bible study with your son. Good for the both of you.

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