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		<title>By: jjohnsen</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-19474</link>
		<dc:creator>jjohnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now he has learned that many soldiers who have served, in the thousands, and who have experienced combat like him, have been designated as “mentally unstable” as they leave the service which allows the Army to deny benefits for Post Trumatic Stress Disorder. These same soldiers have been asked to repay their signing bonus that the Army used to get them to join in the first place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is stunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now he has learned that many soldiers who have served, in the thousands, and who have experienced combat like him, have been designated as “mentally unstable” as they leave the service which allows the Army to deny benefits for Post Trumatic Stress Disorder. These same soldiers have been asked to repay their signing bonus that the Army used to get them to join in the first place.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is stunning.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamonte</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-19354</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - Thanks for the link.  I just finished a letter to my congressman because I was incensed after a conversation with a friend last night.  Her son is serving in Iraq. He has had his enlistment extended by a year, which has now turned in to 15 months.  But that&#039;s not the bad part - he has accepted all of that as part of his obligation.

He was seriously injured in May and saw his best friend literally blown into pieces from an IED explosion.  He has lost part of his hearing but he&#039;s back on patrol in the outskirts of Baghdad.  Now he has learned that many soldiers who have served, in the thousands, and who have experienced combat like him, have been designated as &quot;mentally unstable&quot; as they leave the service which allows the Army to deny benefits for Post Trumatic Stress Disorder.  These same soldiers have been asked to repay their signing bonus that the Army used to get them to join in the first place.

I am stunned that I live in a country whose leadership allows such a thing.  I ask everyone who has one of those &quot;Support the Troops&quot; magnets on their car, and all the rest of us as well, to write their congressman and demand that this practice stop immediately and we get those soldiers and former soldiers the help they need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; Thanks for the link.  I just finished a letter to my congressman because I was incensed after a conversation with a friend last night.  Her son is serving in Iraq. He has had his enlistment extended by a year, which has now turned in to 15 months.  But that&#8217;s not the bad part &#8211; he has accepted all of that as part of his obligation.</p>
<p>He was seriously injured in May and saw his best friend literally blown into pieces from an IED explosion.  He has lost part of his hearing but he&#8217;s back on patrol in the outskirts of Baghdad.  Now he has learned that many soldiers who have served, in the thousands, and who have experienced combat like him, have been designated as &#8220;mentally unstable&#8221; as they leave the service which allows the Army to deny benefits for Post Trumatic Stress Disorder.  These same soldiers have been asked to repay their signing bonus that the Army used to get them to join in the first place.</p>
<p>I am stunned that I live in a country whose leadership allows such a thing.  I ask everyone who has one of those &#8220;Support the Troops&#8221; magnets on their car, and all the rest of us as well, to write their congressman and demand that this practice stop immediately and we get those soldiers and former soldiers the help they need.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-19321</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On shame - I&#039;m sure anyone who read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/26/070326fa_fact_packer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; felt it.  It&#039;s a long article from maybe four months ago, describing the pathetic treatment of the Iraqi interpreters who have been left out to dry once they are no longer useful, their loyalty not reciprocated.  The sorriest facts were that while a million refugees crowd into Syria, the US is granting asylum to only around 500 a year.  By contrast, over 20,000 have received asylum in Sweden since the begninning of the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On shame &#8211; I&#8217;m sure anyone who read <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/26/070326fa_fact_packer" rel="nofollow">this article</a> felt it.  It&#8217;s a long article from maybe four months ago, describing the pathetic treatment of the Iraqi interpreters who have been left out to dry once they are no longer useful, their loyalty not reciprocated.  The sorriest facts were that while a million refugees crowd into Syria, the US is granting asylum to only around 500 a year.  By contrast, over 20,000 have received asylum in Sweden since the begninning of the war.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18978</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mondo,

&lt;blockquote&gt;But, I feel because we are there, we have a responsibility to do the best we can.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But we have never been doing the best we can, not even with this &quot;surge.&quot; General Petraeus&#039;s own counterinsurgency field manual recommends for any successful counterinsurgency at least 50 combat soldiers for every 1000 civilians. For Baghdad alone that means 120,000 combat troops. Before the surge, in the ENTIRE country we had only 70,000 combat troops (the remainder were support troops). The surge increased the number by about 20,000 combat troops. But even if you were to put all 90,000 combat troops in Baghdad, you are still 30,000 short. And that is just Baghdad. 

We&#039;re basically playing whack-a-mole right now in Iraq. If this is the best that we can do, then we better just quit now, because there is nothing good coming out of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mondo,</p>
<blockquote><p>But, I feel because we are there, we have a responsibility to do the best we can.</p></blockquote>
<p>But we have never been doing the best we can, not even with this &#8220;surge.&#8221; General Petraeus&#8217;s own counterinsurgency field manual recommends for any successful counterinsurgency at least 50 combat soldiers for every 1000 civilians. For Baghdad alone that means 120,000 combat troops. Before the surge, in the ENTIRE country we had only 70,000 combat troops (the remainder were support troops). The surge increased the number by about 20,000 combat troops. But even if you were to put all 90,000 combat troops in Baghdad, you are still 30,000 short. And that is just Baghdad. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re basically playing whack-a-mole right now in Iraq. If this is the best that we can do, then we better just quit now, because there is nothing good coming out of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Cool</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18974</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree we should leave.  

But, I believe there is plenty of evidence that the Gadiantons in Iraq &lt;strong&gt;will&lt;/strong&gt; turn those 900 attacks per week towards the Iraqis.  They are bombing mosques and markets and funerals now - without an American soldier in sight! 

Terrorism is weak when analyzed in terms of military campaigns.  It is &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; primarily a military tactic.  It is a propaganda tactic.  If we just up and leave with the only concern being &quot;we ain&#039;t there,&quot; the 8000 dead / yr. by American hands, or the 80,000 dead / yr. by the Saddamites, may well be chump change.  

What were &quot;our actions&quot; in Bali; in Thailand; in the Phillipines?  In the Bin Laden view, &quot;our actions&quot; go back to the Crusades.  You might say they have an eternal hatred towards us, or anyone else who doesn&#039;t accept their terms. (Jacob 7:24 &amp; Mosiah 10:17.) 

I won&#039;t find any comfort with the disaster in Iraq and the rest of the region following a ill-conceived pull-out.  We can expect things from the Iraqis and I think it perfectly acceptable to cut support for them if they are unwilling to accomplish those things.  And, I agree they need to hurry.  But, I feel because we are there, we have a responsibility to do the best we can. And, I agree that we need to hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree we should leave.  </p>
<p>But, I believe there is plenty of evidence that the Gadiantons in Iraq <strong>will</strong> turn those 900 attacks per week towards the Iraqis.  They are bombing mosques and markets and funerals now &#8211; without an American soldier in sight! </p>
<p>Terrorism is weak when analyzed in terms of military campaigns.  It is <strong>not</strong> primarily a military tactic.  It is a propaganda tactic.  If we just up and leave with the only concern being &#8220;we ain&#8217;t there,&#8221; the 8000 dead / yr. by American hands, or the 80,000 dead / yr. by the Saddamites, may well be chump change.  </p>
<p>What were &#8220;our actions&#8221; in Bali; in Thailand; in the Phillipines?  In the Bin Laden view, &#8220;our actions&#8221; go back to the Crusades.  You might say they have an eternal hatred towards us, or anyone else who doesn&#8217;t accept their terms. (Jacob 7:24 &amp; Mosiah 10:17.) </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t find any comfort with the disaster in Iraq and the rest of the region following a ill-conceived pull-out.  We can expect things from the Iraqis and I think it perfectly acceptable to cut support for them if they are unwilling to accomplish those things.  And, I agree they need to hurry.  But, I feel because we are there, we have a responsibility to do the best we can. And, I agree that we need to hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18972</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, I agree. I like it. It&#039;s way better than CNN or CSPAN. Of course, it might help me to understand these things better if I actually &lt;em&gt;watched&lt;/em&gt; CNN or CSPAN...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, I agree. I like it. It&#8217;s way better than CNN or CSPAN. Of course, it might help me to understand these things better if I actually <em>watched</em> CNN or CSPAN&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18958</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bbell,

It&#039;s like the occasional bowl of ice cream. Not that good for you, but one of life&#039;s little indulgences nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bbell,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the occasional bowl of ice cream. Not that good for you, but one of life&#8217;s little indulgences nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18949</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mondo,

If the only options are either more war or more hell, then frankly I want out of this life. 

Thankfully there are other options. We are not limited to one or the other. In fact, tragically, the one (more war) leads to the other. War supporters keep trying to justify current action by attempting to equate Bin Laden to Hitler or Stalin. The comparisons are scarce in reality. Yeah, Bin Laden is a bad guy, but his goal is NOT world domination, and he knows it. Why? Because he&#039;s not using tools that would get him world domination. Terrorism is the tool for the weak, not for the strong. He&#039;s nothing more than a piranha in the water, without the ability to control the direction of the river. 

The problem, and the reason why he has done so much is that we overhype his power and his influence. Our actions are the very things that bring him recruits. The CIA has said this. Why can&#039;t we see this yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mondo,</p>
<p>If the only options are either more war or more hell, then frankly I want out of this life. </p>
<p>Thankfully there are other options. We are not limited to one or the other. In fact, tragically, the one (more war) leads to the other. War supporters keep trying to justify current action by attempting to equate Bin Laden to Hitler or Stalin. The comparisons are scarce in reality. Yeah, Bin Laden is a bad guy, but his goal is NOT world domination, and he knows it. Why? Because he&#8217;s not using tools that would get him world domination. Terrorism is the tool for the weak, not for the strong. He&#8217;s nothing more than a piranha in the water, without the ability to control the direction of the river. </p>
<p>The problem, and the reason why he has done so much is that we overhype his power and his influence. Our actions are the very things that bring him recruits. The CIA has said this. Why can&#8217;t we see this yet?</p>
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		<title>By: bbell</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18948</link>
		<dc:creator>bbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These types of threads are a waste of time.

Next....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These types of threads are a waste of time.</p>
<p>Next&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Cool</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=573&#038;cpage=2#comment-18947</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:
I really have no argument with you about the Soviet demise except that I believe the Reagan build-up was the &quot;proverbial straw.&quot;  Their economy was in the toilet - swirling.  And, they couldn&#039;t rely on the threat or coercion of military force to conquer other areas for gain as they had after WWII.  They couldn&#039;t compete.

Yes, it is too bad. I don&#039;t like war.  But, I don&#039;t want more hell - multiplied - exponentially.  Saddam was not guiltless.  We won that war.  But, we were STUPID by thinking the Iraqi mindset would immediately fall in line with ideas of liberty.

How many Americans go to Mosque and attend funerals in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:<br />
I really have no argument with you about the Soviet demise except that I believe the Reagan build-up was the &#8220;proverbial straw.&#8221;  Their economy was in the toilet &#8211; swirling.  And, they couldn&#8217;t rely on the threat or coercion of military force to conquer other areas for gain as they had after WWII.  They couldn&#8217;t compete.</p>
<p>Yes, it is too bad. I don&#8217;t like war.  But, I don&#8217;t want more hell &#8211; multiplied &#8211; exponentially.  Saddam was not guiltless.  We won that war.  But, we were STUPID by thinking the Iraqi mindset would immediately fall in line with ideas of liberty.</p>
<p>How many Americans go to Mosque and attend funerals in Iraq?</p>
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