Comments on: Airline to Heaven: Elder Pace’s Idea for (Very) Small Temples http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678 Tue, 21 May 2013 21:34:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Zelophehad’s Daughters | Something Different in the First Presidency Letter? http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-53069 Zelophehad’s Daughters | Something Different in the First Presidency Letter? Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:30:38 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-53069 [...] I concede that it’s entirely possible that either I misheard yesterday, or I wasn’t paying close enough attention every other time in the past when similar letters were read. But, on the off chance that this is new, I find it a very encouraging sign. I understand that the Church will always be run from the top down. But I’ve long wondered why the general leadership seemed so determined not to accept any feedback from the members, particularly when some members have such good ideas for making church better. [...] [...] I concede that it’s entirely possible that either I misheard yesterday, or I wasn’t paying close enough attention every other time in the past when similar letters were read. But, on the off chance that this is new, I find it a very encouraging sign. I understand that the Church will always be run from the top down. But I’ve long wondered why the general leadership seemed so determined not to accept any feedback from the members, particularly when some members have such good ideas for making church better. [...]

]]> By: | ideathink.info http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-26758 | ideathink.info Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:05:51 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-26758 [...] Nine Moons ? Blog Archive : Airline to Heaven: Elder Pace?s Idea …It seems like Woody Guthrie would also think it a good idea. Here are his prophetic words, by way of Wilco (listen in the radioblog in the New Cool Thang … [...] [...] Nine Moons ? Blog Archive : Airline to Heaven: Elder Pace?s Idea …It seems like Woody Guthrie would also think it a good idea. Here are his prophetic words, by way of Wilco (listen in the radioblog in the New Cool Thang … [...]

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25990 Bret Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:19:19 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25990 Thanks John for an absolutely useless fact I and everyone else already knew (unless you were being facetious). I'm quite sure the BD was written after that time. Thanks John for an absolutely useless fact I and everyone else already knew (unless you were being facetious). I’m quite sure the BD was written after that time.

]]> By: Hellmut http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25958 Hellmut Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:56:28 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25958 What concerns me is that the mini temples might trivialize the temple. When temple attendance required an effort, it did teach us a lesson about the nature of the temple. Looking at the pattern of mini-temples, as well as some of the larger ones in Utah, it feels like some statisticians and real estate developers are plopping them where ever tithing collection warrants it. At the same time, there appears to be more emphasis on ward and stake temple nights, which makes me wonder if there is a problem with self-motivated attendance. What concerns me is that the mini temples might trivialize the temple. When temple attendance required an effort, it did teach us a lesson about the nature of the temple.

Looking at the pattern of mini-temples, as well as some of the larger ones in Utah, it feels like some statisticians and real estate developers are plopping them where ever tithing collection warrants it.

At the same time, there appears to be more emphasis on ward and stake temple nights, which makes me wonder if there is a problem with self-motivated attendance.

]]> By: Hellmut http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25957 Hellmut Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:48:23 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25957 Access to the temple is a problem overseas. In Germany, it was relatively easy because we just had to go to Switzerland, which was not too bad. Youth temple trips would typically become a second youth conference and last an entire week. We would stay in a Swiss civil defense bunker, which meant we could not break anything except for the neon lights. That actually happened every time when boys were jumping from bed to bed on the three level bunks. We would have one baptismal session per day and then spend the remainder of the time hiking and sightseeing. It was great. But it was also a financial stretch for many families. Access to the temple is a problem overseas. In Germany, it was relatively easy because we just had to go to Switzerland, which was not too bad.

Youth temple trips would typically become a second youth conference and last an entire week. We would stay in a Swiss civil defense bunker, which meant we could not break anything except for the neon lights.

That actually happened every time when boys were jumping from bed to bed on the three level bunks.

We would have one baptismal session per day and then spend the remainder of the time hiking and sightseeing. It was great.

But it was also a financial stretch for many families.

]]> By: John Mansfield http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25956 John Mansfield Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:47:30 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25956 Bret, in the early Utah decades, before the St. George Temple was dedicated, we used the Endowment House in our time of poverty. Bret, in the early Utah decades, before the St. George Temple was dedicated, we used the Endowment House in our time of poverty.

]]> By: Floyd the Wonderdog http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25947 Floyd the Wonderdog Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:02:08 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25947 When I was working on the grad degrees 25 years ago, I had a friend who was an electrician for the church. He told us at the time about the plans for the flying and floating temples. The issue was that the temple would need to go to the members because the members couldn't go to the temple. Unfortunately, many countries don't allow their citizens to leave the country. So they would not be able to take a trip to a foreign temple even if someone else paid for the trip. At the time they were also considering putting mini-temples in Stake Centers. When I was working on the grad degrees 25 years ago, I had a friend who was an electrician for the church. He told us at the time about the plans for the flying and floating temples. The issue was that the temple would need to go to the members because the members couldn’t go to the temple. Unfortunately, many countries don’t allow their citizens to leave the country. So they would not be able to take a trip to a foreign temple even if someone else paid for the trip.

At the time they were also considering putting mini-temples in Stake Centers.

]]> By: Bret http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25922 Bret Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:09:55 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25922 What about where it says in the BD "In cases of extreme poverty or emergency, these ordinances may sometimes be done on a mountaintop. (see D&C 124:37-55)"? I've always wondered why we haven't done this sometimes or at all. Maybe when it gets down to crunch time before the Millennium? What about where it says in the BD “In cases of extreme poverty or emergency, these ordinances may sometimes be done on a mountaintop. (see D&C 124:37-55)”?

I’ve always wondered why we haven’t done this sometimes or at all. Maybe when it gets down to crunch time before the Millennium?

]]> By: Cheryl http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25920 Cheryl Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:02:00 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25920 Thank you! I'm starting to think that it wouldn't be bad if we had some kind of a class (or just talk?) donated to donations (haha! Donated to donations...) in the Church. I'll admit I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to where we can donate our money. Thank you! I’m starting to think that it wouldn’t be bad if we had some kind of a class (or just talk?) donated to donations (haha! Donated to donations…) in the Church. I’ll admit I’m fairly ignorant when it comes to where we can donate our money.

]]> By: J. Michael http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25918 J. Michael Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:57:41 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/10/15/airline-to-heaven-elder-paces-idea-for-very-small-temples/#comment-25918 It's called the "Temple Patron Assistance Fund" and it pays for thousands of members to receive living ordinances each year. You can contribute by writing "TPAF" on the "Other" line on your tithing slip. It’s called the “Temple Patron Assistance Fund” and it pays for thousands of members to receive living ordinances each year. You can contribute by writing “TPAF” on the “Other” line on your tithing slip.

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