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		<title>By: Barb</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-51328</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article in the recent Ensign where a woman questioned the truthfulness of the Gospel based on a promise of giving birth. She decided that she had so many other evidences of the Gospel that she could not dismiss her testimony on this proof. In her case, she did give birth after she no longer required the proof. I know that not all of us will see our blessings fulfilled in this life. 

Well, I thought of this post as I read the comments. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an article in the recent Ensign where a woman questioned the truthfulness of the Gospel based on a promise of giving birth. She decided that she had so many other evidences of the Gospel that she could not dismiss her testimony on this proof. In her case, she did give birth after she no longer required the proof. I know that not all of us will see our blessings fulfilled in this life. </p>
<p>Well, I thought of this post as I read the comments. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ranster</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-51317</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to disappoint you that this wasn&#039;t an April Fool&#039;s prank. No prank i could think of would compete with CNN&#039;s story about Snoop Dogg joining the LDS Church. So i re-read your post. Your question is:

&quot;Do we hold patriarchal blessings in such high esteem—higher, even, than our prophets? And if so, should we?&quot;

Maybe i&#039;m still missing your point, but i don&#039;t see the value in trying to prioritize patriarchal blessings vs. prophets. The way i see it, revelation is revelation.  Wouldn&#039;t it make for a better discussion to talk about how we struggle or strive to follow or apply a revelation rather than talk about its ranking with other revelation? The only thing i meant to accuse you of is not asking a better question. You were my most memorable home-teacher and gospel doctrine teacher in college. I have a tremendous respect for your intelligence and wisdom, not to mention your other many fine qualities. Y&#039;know i love you buddy. BTW i&#039;m moving to the SLC area soon...how do i get in touch with you? We need to do some serious catching up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disappoint you that this wasn&#8217;t an April Fool&#8217;s prank. No prank i could think of would compete with CNN&#8217;s story about Snoop Dogg joining the LDS Church. So i re-read your post. Your question is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do we hold patriarchal blessings in such high esteem—higher, even, than our prophets? And if so, should we?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe i&#8217;m still missing your point, but i don&#8217;t see the value in trying to prioritize patriarchal blessings vs. prophets. The way i see it, revelation is revelation.  Wouldn&#8217;t it make for a better discussion to talk about how we struggle or strive to follow or apply a revelation rather than talk about its ranking with other revelation? The only thing i meant to accuse you of is not asking a better question. You were my most memorable home-teacher and gospel doctrine teacher in college. I have a tremendous respect for your intelligence and wisdom, not to mention your other many fine qualities. Y&#8217;know i love you buddy. BTW i&#8217;m moving to the SLC area soon&#8230;how do i get in touch with you? We need to do some serious catching up.</p>
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		<title>By: Silus Grok</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-51188</link>
		<dc:creator>Silus Grok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ranster, I&#039;d dismiss your accusatory tone as an April Fools prank… but I suspect it&#039;s genuine.

Please re-read the post. I have not questioned the &quot;efforts and faithfulness of the Lord’s servants&quot; — rather, as a faithful latter-day saint, I am keenly aware that we have been taught that we do not consider our leaders infallible. So I posited an honest query.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranster, I&#8217;d dismiss your accusatory tone as an April Fools prank… but I suspect it&#8217;s genuine.</p>
<p>Please re-read the post. I have not questioned the &#8220;efforts and faithfulness of the Lord’s servants&#8221; — rather, as a faithful latter-day saint, I am keenly aware that we have been taught that we do not consider our leaders infallible. So I posited an honest query.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranster</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-51122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My patriarchal blessing mentions that i would serve an honorable full-time mission, yet i very nearly came home from my mission after only a few weeks in the mission field. If i had decided to end my mission prematurely, would that mean that the patriarch who had given me my blessing had made an error? Of course not. I was frustrated with aspects of missionary work. Over time i realized that most of those frustrations stemmed from my shortcomings as a missionary, and over MORE time i learned how to overcome or at the very least deal with those weaknesses of mine. On a less heroic note, my patriarchal blessing also mentions my wife and children. Yet i was divorced after only three years of marriage and had no children. But i admit that my wife and i are the ones to blame for the failure of our marriage, and i find no comfort about my circumstances by questioning the validity of my patriarchal blessing or the efforts and faithfulness of the Lord&#039;s servants. Patriarchal blessings do not shield us from the consequences of our actions and decisions. Nor do they always shield us from the decisions and actions of others, although we&#039;d like to believe that bad things don&#039;t happen to good people. If somebody were killed in a car accident moments after receiving a lengthy patriarchal blessing, i wouldn&#039;t blame the patriarch for not anticipating the tragedy. We are supposed to use our patriarchal blessings as guides, and sources of comfort and reassurance as we strive to live the gospel faithfully. Don&#039;t be so quick to dismiss the advantages of such a powerful tool. If you have chosen to go down a different road, or if some freak accident or the actions of another individual have landed you on a divergent path, you&#039;d be better off finding a way to realign yourself with the counsel and guidance of your patriarchal blessing rather than criticizing the reliability of its source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My patriarchal blessing mentions that i would serve an honorable full-time mission, yet i very nearly came home from my mission after only a few weeks in the mission field. If i had decided to end my mission prematurely, would that mean that the patriarch who had given me my blessing had made an error? Of course not. I was frustrated with aspects of missionary work. Over time i realized that most of those frustrations stemmed from my shortcomings as a missionary, and over MORE time i learned how to overcome or at the very least deal with those weaknesses of mine. On a less heroic note, my patriarchal blessing also mentions my wife and children. Yet i was divorced after only three years of marriage and had no children. But i admit that my wife and i are the ones to blame for the failure of our marriage, and i find no comfort about my circumstances by questioning the validity of my patriarchal blessing or the efforts and faithfulness of the Lord&#8217;s servants. Patriarchal blessings do not shield us from the consequences of our actions and decisions. Nor do they always shield us from the decisions and actions of others, although we&#8217;d like to believe that bad things don&#8217;t happen to good people. If somebody were killed in a car accident moments after receiving a lengthy patriarchal blessing, i wouldn&#8217;t blame the patriarch for not anticipating the tragedy. We are supposed to use our patriarchal blessings as guides, and sources of comfort and reassurance as we strive to live the gospel faithfully. Don&#8217;t be so quick to dismiss the advantages of such a powerful tool. If you have chosen to go down a different road, or if some freak accident or the actions of another individual have landed you on a divergent path, you&#8217;d be better off finding a way to realign yourself with the counsel and guidance of your patriarchal blessing rather than criticizing the reliability of its source.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-47910</link>
		<dc:creator>SilverRain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe the calamity didn’t happen because he wasn’t worthy enough?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or maybe it didn&#039;t happen because he was warned it would happen and was thusly more careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe the calamity didn’t happen because he wasn’t worthy enough?</p></blockquote>
<p>Or maybe it didn&#8217;t happen because he was warned it would happen and was thusly more careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-47867</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silus, this is interesting that you should post this right now. In sorting through some papers, I recently read my Patriarchal blessings for the first time in ages. Talk of a spouse and children were there. And I felt that it was not in the next life sense as it told me to teach them according to the Fulness of the Gospel. Would that be needed in the next life? It scares me if I blew it not getting over my condition. I still might have time to get things right. Or maybe they could be step children. I am fine with being single and having no children in this life is that is what is meant to be.

I do not know much about Patriarchal blessings. I know that leaders of the Church make no claim of being infallible. I am not sure how these works with Patriarchal blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silus, this is interesting that you should post this right now. In sorting through some papers, I recently read my Patriarchal blessings for the first time in ages. Talk of a spouse and children were there. And I felt that it was not in the next life sense as it told me to teach them according to the Fulness of the Gospel. Would that be needed in the next life? It scares me if I blew it not getting over my condition. I still might have time to get things right. Or maybe they could be step children. I am fine with being single and having no children in this life is that is what is meant to be.</p>
<p>I do not know much about Patriarchal blessings. I know that leaders of the Church make no claim of being infallible. I am not sure how these works with Patriarchal blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: SingleSpeed</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-47850</link>
		<dc:creator>SingleSpeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Susan M (#6).  It&#039;s easy to say that the prophet&#039;s words may not apply directly to you for various reasons, but it&#039;s hard to argue that a PB doesn&#039;t apply to you.  And yet, there are plenty of examples of those whose PB do not seem to be fulfilled during this life.  This becomes so hard to reconcile since the promised blessings are usually &quot;dependent on your faith&quot; or something similar.  

Patriarchal Blessings trouble me greatly.  It is quite often that I hear of someone whose life hasn&#039;t followed the pattern suggested in their PB, and it leads them to believe that they haven&#039;t been &quot;worthy or faithful enough.&quot;  I believe that many LDS take PB&#039;s far too literally.

Also, I have never understood why we hold a blessing from a patriarch, often someone you&#039;ve never met until you receive the blessing, in higher regard than a blessing received from our own fathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Susan M (#6).  It&#8217;s easy to say that the prophet&#8217;s words may not apply directly to you for various reasons, but it&#8217;s hard to argue that a PB doesn&#8217;t apply to you.  And yet, there are plenty of examples of those whose PB do not seem to be fulfilled during this life.  This becomes so hard to reconcile since the promised blessings are usually &#8220;dependent on your faith&#8221; or something similar.  </p>
<p>Patriarchal Blessings trouble me greatly.  It is quite often that I hear of someone whose life hasn&#8217;t followed the pattern suggested in their PB, and it leads them to believe that they haven&#8217;t been &#8220;worthy or faithful enough.&#8221;  I believe that many LDS take PB&#8217;s far too literally.</p>
<p>Also, I have never understood why we hold a blessing from a patriarch, often someone you&#8217;ve never met until you receive the blessing, in higher regard than a blessing received from our own fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: jjohnsen</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-47849</link>
		<dc:creator>jjohnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that LDS members tend to see Patriarchal Blessings as divinely-inspired gypsy fortunes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And this is reinforced by almost every lesson I&#039;ve been apart of that talks about Patriarchal Blessings.  Someone usually bring up a sister, wife or cousin that is told in their blessing that they&#039;d be married with a large family, but are somehow still single at age 60.  So of course they&#039;re told that it must be talking about the &quot;next life&quot;.  

What are you supposed to think about a sheet of paper that supposedly outlines your life, but anytime it doesn&#039;t match can easily be tossed away as being part of your life in heaven or you weren&#039;t worthy enough so the roadmap was incorrect?  It sure seems more mystic or a &quot;fortune&quot; to me.  And pretty much anyone I&#039;ve talked to speaks of it in the same way (to varying degrees of course).  Patriarchal blessings have this almost creepy magical aura that seems to surround them in the church (at least in church culture).   

Don&#039;t even get me started on one of my mission companion that worriedly showed me his PB that told him he would return from his mission early because of a great calamity, but would be able to finish that mission in his golden years with a beautiful wife.  Yep, you guessed it.  He finished his mission without a calamity to anywhere in his life. Maybe the calamity didn&#039;t happen because he wasn&#039;t worthy enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think that LDS members tend to see Patriarchal Blessings as divinely-inspired gypsy fortunes.</p></blockquote>
<p>And this is reinforced by almost every lesson I&#8217;ve been apart of that talks about Patriarchal Blessings.  Someone usually bring up a sister, wife or cousin that is told in their blessing that they&#8217;d be married with a large family, but are somehow still single at age 60.  So of course they&#8217;re told that it must be talking about the &#8220;next life&#8221;.  </p>
<p>What are you supposed to think about a sheet of paper that supposedly outlines your life, but anytime it doesn&#8217;t match can easily be tossed away as being part of your life in heaven or you weren&#8217;t worthy enough so the roadmap was incorrect?  It sure seems more mystic or a &#8220;fortune&#8221; to me.  And pretty much anyone I&#8217;ve talked to speaks of it in the same way (to varying degrees of course).  Patriarchal blessings have this almost creepy magical aura that seems to surround them in the church (at least in church culture).   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started on one of my mission companion that worriedly showed me his PB that told him he would return from his mission early because of a great calamity, but would be able to finish that mission in his golden years with a beautiful wife.  Yep, you guessed it.  He finished his mission without a calamity to anywhere in his life. Maybe the calamity didn&#8217;t happen because he wasn&#8217;t worthy enough?</p>
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		<title>By: s'mee</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-47848</link>
		<dc:creator>s'mee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that although both callings are true and inspired, that both are filled by human beings and received by human beings; meaning they can have a blip in communication from time to time. That is not to say they &quot;make mistakes&quot; in regard to revelation for the church or individual, but more like a personal typo that can be explained from a different perspective and/or viewpoint or wording that one can perceive correctly. 

Case in point, the PB my s-i-l received told her she would be both mother AND father to her children.  She freaked presuming her husband would die at the delivery table of their last born in the wilderness. This has not been the case.  However her husband&#039;s career has been such that after their last born he has been on the road or gone from the home a LOT! Was that the intended meaning? Maybe, maybe not.

I also think that much of our blessings depend on what is intended for us and what we choose to do with those intentions. 

I was given a particular admonition and chose to disregard it. That one point sent me through a particularly difficult phase of life. Had I bent low and humbled myself, did things completely against my nature and natural will, and followed what at times still seems contrary to my personal identity - let&#039;s just say it would have been difficult for a period of time but easier in the long run.  

Had I followed those admonitions with blind and complete faith and not my own understanding of them in the first place, I would have been miserable for some time, not knowing why, and maybe never seeing the &quot;why&quot;, but still blessed in the long run.  

Going off on my personal comfort and course allowed me to make that mistake, learn from it and get back to what the Lord had intended for me; and in hindsight see the wisdom in the original blessing wording.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that although both callings are true and inspired, that both are filled by human beings and received by human beings; meaning they can have a blip in communication from time to time. That is not to say they &#8220;make mistakes&#8221; in regard to revelation for the church or individual, but more like a personal typo that can be explained from a different perspective and/or viewpoint or wording that one can perceive correctly. </p>
<p>Case in point, the PB my s-i-l received told her she would be both mother AND father to her children.  She freaked presuming her husband would die at the delivery table of their last born in the wilderness. This has not been the case.  However her husband&#8217;s career has been such that after their last born he has been on the road or gone from the home a LOT! Was that the intended meaning? Maybe, maybe not.</p>
<p>I also think that much of our blessings depend on what is intended for us and what we choose to do with those intentions. </p>
<p>I was given a particular admonition and chose to disregard it. That one point sent me through a particularly difficult phase of life. Had I bent low and humbled myself, did things completely against my nature and natural will, and followed what at times still seems contrary to my personal identity &#8211; let&#8217;s just say it would have been difficult for a period of time but easier in the long run.  </p>
<p>Had I followed those admonitions with blind and complete faith and not my own understanding of them in the first place, I would have been miserable for some time, not knowing why, and maybe never seeing the &#8220;why&#8221;, but still blessed in the long run.  </p>
<p>Going off on my personal comfort and course allowed me to make that mistake, learn from it and get back to what the Lord had intended for me; and in hindsight see the wisdom in the original blessing wording.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=758&#038;cpage=1#comment-47846</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PB is aimed directly at you, while a prophet&#039;s statements are aimed at the entire church. So it&#039;s easier to dismiss a prophet&#039;s statements as not applying to you. If that&#039;s coming out right, I&#039;m not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PB is aimed directly at you, while a prophet&#8217;s statements are aimed at the entire church. So it&#8217;s easier to dismiss a prophet&#8217;s statements as not applying to you. If that&#8217;s coming out right, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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