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	<title>Comments on: Just Once I&#8217;d Like To See a Sci-Fi Where Church People Save the World from Crazed Atheists</title>
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		<title>By: carrie</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57114</link>
		<dc:creator>carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been a decade and a half since I read Stephen King&#039;s &quot;The Stand&quot; but if my memory is correct, the deeply Christian &quot;Mother Abigail&quot; is the spiritual leader of the good guys in a post-apocalyptic North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a decade and a half since I read Stephen King&#8217;s &#8220;The Stand&#8221; but if my memory is correct, the deeply Christian &#8220;Mother Abigail&#8221; is the spiritual leader of the good guys in a post-apocalyptic North America.</p>
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		<title>By: kwk</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57082</link>
		<dc:creator>kwk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The true power in these books isn’t religion or technology, but spice.&lt;/em&gt;

Yep.  The good guys are religious, but we learn that the source of their religious belief is based largely off the drug induced mind expansion of genetically special &quot;prophet&quot;, the manipulating folk tales of the Bene Gesseret, and even human nature&#039;s miraculous ability to adapt to seemingly unhabitable environments.  I saw religion portrayed as a tool used to satisfy a sense of monarchistic duty.  Kind of a morally beneficial lie.
Dune is actually very &quot;Survival of the Fittest&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The true power in these books isn’t religion or technology, but spice.</em></p>
<p>Yep.  The good guys are religious, but we learn that the source of their religious belief is based largely off the drug induced mind expansion of genetically special &#8220;prophet&#8221;, the manipulating folk tales of the Bene Gesseret, and even human nature&#8217;s miraculous ability to adapt to seemingly unhabitable environments.  I saw religion portrayed as a tool used to satisfy a sense of monarchistic duty.  Kind of a morally beneficial lie.<br />
Dune is actually very &#8220;Survival of the Fittest&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57051</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pulp Fiction.</description>
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		<title>By: Kullervo</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57032</link>
		<dc:creator>Kullervo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, there is also a fight (in both novels) against “the establishment that has been corrupted”&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but that&#039;s sort of in the Gospels, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, there is also a fight (in both novels) against “the establishment that has been corrupted”</i></p>
<p>Yeah, but that&#8217;s sort of in the Gospels, too.</p>
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		<title>By: larryco_</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57031</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the &quot;Wheel of Time&quot; series, all of Robert Jordan&#039;s good guys support The Creator against the Dark Lord.  In this case, The Creator is kind of deist-like god who started everything, created a tapistry from which things flow, and backed off.  But occasional phrases like &#039;pray&quot; will show a connection between the heroes and The Creator.  With the death of Jordan, LDS fantasy author Brandon Sanderson is using Jordan&#039;s notes to finish the last book, which will culminate in Tarmon Gai&#039;don (Armageddon).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the &#8220;Wheel of Time&#8221; series, all of Robert Jordan&#8217;s good guys support The Creator against the Dark Lord.  In this case, The Creator is kind of deist-like god who started everything, created a tapistry from which things flow, and backed off.  But occasional phrases like &#8216;pray&#8221; will show a connection between the heroes and The Creator.  With the death of Jordan, LDS fantasy author Brandon Sanderson is using Jordan&#8217;s notes to finish the last book, which will culminate in Tarmon Gai&#8217;don (Armageddon).</p>
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		<title>By: aerin</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57030</link>
		<dc:creator>aerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well.  This gets complicated when you bring in &quot;magic&quot; and mix it with religion in these sci-fi novels. In many novels, magic (and those who are able to use it, like the Bene Gesserit in Dune) are part of some form of religion/organization.  And usually (not always), the group that can use magic for good comes out on top.   

I think Robert Jordan&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Wheel of Time&lt;/em&gt; series counts.  While everyone doesn&#039;t have the same religious beliefs, there are religious beliefs of a sort there.  If you think of supporting the Aes Sedai as a religion.

Also, Ursula Le Guin&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Earthsea&lt;/em&gt; series.  

Of course, there is also a fight (in both novels) against &quot;the establishment that has been corrupted&quot; (I&#039;m grossly over-simplifying here).  

I agree with BSG, of course.  Although the relationship with religion is very complicated.  

I&#039;ll keep thinking about this, but I think there are more than what one might think of easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well.  This gets complicated when you bring in &#8220;magic&#8221; and mix it with religion in these sci-fi novels. In many novels, magic (and those who are able to use it, like the Bene Gesserit in Dune) are part of some form of religion/organization.  And usually (not always), the group that can use magic for good comes out on top.   </p>
<p>I think Robert Jordan&#8217;s <em>Wheel of Time</em> series counts.  While everyone doesn&#8217;t have the same religious beliefs, there are religious beliefs of a sort there.  If you think of supporting the Aes Sedai as a religion.</p>
<p>Also, Ursula Le Guin&#8217;s <em>Earthsea</em> series.  </p>
<p>Of course, there is also a fight (in both novels) against &#8220;the establishment that has been corrupted&#8221; (I&#8217;m grossly over-simplifying here).  </p>
<p>I agree with BSG, of course.  Although the relationship with religion is very complicated.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep thinking about this, but I think there are more than what one might think of easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-57017</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;there are more than passing resemblancings to a certain guy with the initials J. S. in some ways&lt;/em&gt;

Maybe I&#039;ll hold with my perception that he&#039;s the only truly bad guy. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>there are more than passing resemblancings to a certain guy with the initials J. S. in some ways</em></p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll hold with my perception that he&#8217;s the only truly bad guy. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the atheistic scientist is pretty complex.  I won&#039;t tell you what he becomes at the end but there are more than passing resemblancings to a certain guy with the initials J. S. in some ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the atheistic scientist is pretty complex.  I won&#8217;t tell you what he becomes at the end but there are more than passing resemblancings to a certain guy with the initials J. S. in some ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-56951</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching the newer version of Battlestar Galactica right now and was surprised at all of the Mormon references in it.  Then I discovered the original producer was a Mormon.

Good guys and bad guys (Human and Cylon) are both religious in that series and perhaps the only true bad guy is an atheistic scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the newer version of Battlestar Galactica right now and was surprised at all of the Mormon references in it.  Then I discovered the original producer was a Mormon.</p>
<p>Good guys and bad guys (Human and Cylon) are both religious in that series and perhaps the only true bad guy is an atheistic scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jettboy</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=804&#038;cpage=1#comment-56942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jettboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;looking for a smackdown here that lets churchgoers administer the whoop’in for a change. Dune qualifies.&quot;

Have you read the second book and beyond? Have you even understood the underlying themes of the first? I suppose at a superficial level &quot;Dune&quot; qualifies, but the hero uses religion to minipulate the masses. Religion is just a tool to keep civilization from stagnation. The more the series continues the more this becomes evident. The true power in these books isn&#039;t religion or technology, but spice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;looking for a smackdown here that lets churchgoers administer the whoop’in for a change. Dune qualifies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you read the second book and beyond? Have you even understood the underlying themes of the first? I suppose at a superficial level &#8220;Dune&#8221; qualifies, but the hero uses religion to minipulate the masses. Religion is just a tool to keep civilization from stagnation. The more the series continues the more this becomes evident. The true power in these books isn&#8217;t religion or technology, but spice.</p>
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