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By: David http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-79036 David Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:16:36 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-79036 Jack, Since God established communication with His children on earth, the priesthood and responsibilities have landed squarely on the shoulders of the men. Perhaps it's the nature of the gender, who knows? But again, try to look beyond the roles and rules of temporal social science. Per LDS doctrine, men and women equally enjoy the blessings of the priesthood-- men just happen to be its vessels. Liking or disliking the arrangement has little to do with it. But whatever happens here on this rock-- whoever is sealed to who-- it's primarily crucial that they are both attached to the priesthood. I have a feeling that in more cases than expected-- due to inequal devotion and/or irreconcilable differences-- the Lord will sort things out later. And so it goes with the young widow in my ward. Jack,

Since God established communication with His children on earth, the priesthood and responsibilities have landed squarely on the shoulders of the men. Perhaps it’s the nature of the gender, who knows? But again, try to look beyond the roles and rules of temporal social science. Per LDS doctrine, men and women equally enjoy the blessings of the priesthood– men just happen to be its vessels. Liking or disliking the arrangement has little to do with it. But whatever happens here on this rock– whoever is sealed to who– it’s primarily crucial that they are both attached to the priesthood. I have a feeling that in more cases than expected– due to inequal devotion and/or irreconcilable differences– the Lord will sort things out later. And so it goes with the young widow in my ward.

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By: Bridget Jack Meyers http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-79019 Bridget Jack Meyers Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:48:19 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-79019 David, I don't really blame anybody for taking the "let's not worry about it, God will sort it all out" approach, but it's a terribly unsatisfying answer. Regardless of which of our anecdotes is true, we all know if the genders were reversed---if it were a man whose wife died young leaving him with one child, and he later met another young woman he wanted to marry---we all know what the answer would be. He'd be allowed to be sealed to both women. The woman in the same situation should not be forced to choose one or the other. The implications of the church's policies in this matter really can't be denied. Either the church thinks women do not have the capacity to love different people for eternity like men do, which contradicts the church's insistence that the genders are equal, or the church's current policy is wrong and should be changed. Why wait for the Lord to fix something which the church can fix today? David, I don’t really blame anybody for taking the “let’s not worry about it, God will sort it all out” approach, but it’s a terribly unsatisfying answer. Regardless of which of our anecdotes is true, we all know if the genders were reversed—if it were a man whose wife died young leaving him with one child, and he later met another young woman he wanted to marry—we all know what the answer would be. He’d be allowed to be sealed to both women. The woman in the same situation should not be forced to choose one or the other.

The implications of the church’s policies in this matter really can’t be denied. Either the church thinks women do not have the capacity to love different people for eternity like men do, which contradicts the church’s insistence that the genders are equal, or the church’s current policy is wrong and should be changed. Why wait for the Lord to fix something which the church can fix today?

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By: David http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-79012 David Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:09:32 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-79012 Jack, I've heard anecdotes that counter yours, including one from a guy in my congregation who saw the same situation in the previous ward he attended. It may just be a case-by-case thing but, as you said, it's a frustrating scenario either way. It's times like this when, despite policy and best counsel, we have faith that the Lord will settle it and everyone wins. As a Latter-Day Saint, though, I believe we existed before we came to earth, as brothers and sisters, and we'll continue to exist after this life. That said, our earthly stay is a blip of our whole existence. If we were brothers and sisters before, and we'll remember everything after, who's to say the family structure as we've understood it here doesn't completely change again? Our parents become our brothers and sisters again, as will our children. We've helped each other through the mortal sphere and it's time to move on. I'm not saying that's doctrine, I'm just musing. I think "letting the Lord sort it all out" before we get too riled is a wise thing because I think we're all going to be very surprised when we get over there. And delighted. Jack,

I’ve heard anecdotes that counter yours, including one from a guy in my congregation who saw the same situation in the previous ward he attended. It may just be a case-by-case thing but, as you said, it’s a frustrating scenario either way. It’s times like this when, despite policy and best counsel, we have faith that the Lord will settle it and everyone wins.

As a Latter-Day Saint, though, I believe we existed before we came to earth, as brothers and sisters, and we’ll continue to exist after this life. That said, our earthly stay is a blip of our whole existence. If we were brothers and sisters before, and we’ll remember everything after, who’s to say the family structure as we’ve understood it here doesn’t completely change again? Our parents become our brothers and sisters again, as will our children. We’ve helped each other through the mortal sphere and it’s time to move on. I’m not saying that’s doctrine, I’m just musing. I think “letting the Lord sort it all out” before we get too riled is a wise thing because I think we’re all going to be very surprised when we get over there. And delighted.

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By: Bridget Jack Meyers http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-79010 Bridget Jack Meyers Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:51:19 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-79010 David, I'm pretty sure I've heard anecdotal evidence of young widows having their sealings canceled in situations like the one you mentioned. Personally I don't like that. My sensibilities tell me that the first covenant should not be broken just because the poor guy died young, nor should the second husband not be able to get sealed to the young widow. I really think that if you're going to accept eternal marriage at all, you have to accept both polygyny and polyandry in the hereafter. This stuff where men can be sealed to multiple women but women have to choose just one man to be with is pure bullcrap. David, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard anecdotal evidence of young widows having their sealings canceled in situations like the one you mentioned.

Personally I don’t like that. My sensibilities tell me that the first covenant should not be broken just because the poor guy died young, nor should the second husband not be able to get sealed to the young widow.

I really think that if you’re going to accept eternal marriage at all, you have to accept both polygyny and polyandry in the hereafter. This stuff where men can be sealed to multiple women but women have to choose just one man to be with is pure bullcrap.

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By: David T. http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-79009 David T. Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:09:17 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-79009 Speaking of "It will all be worked out in the Millennium," it reminds me of a situation in my ward. A new couple moved into the boundaries last October. Sometime mid-February, the husband was killed on the Interstate on his motorcycle, leaving his 22-year-old wife one month pregnant. The couple had married in the temple, but I doubt a pretty young woman is going remain a widow for very long. So, the dilemma: If she meets someone else whom she wants to marry, she won't be able to be sealed to him because the Church doesn't cancel prior sealings just because the first husband is dead. So this second man could help raise the baby from infancy into adulthood-- he/she will probably always know him as "Dad"-- and he'll spend 60 years with the woman, but she will still be sealed to the first. What's more, the child will always be sealed to their mom and her first husband. It just seems to me this is one of those situations that have to be worked out in the Millennium. Speaking of “It will all be worked out in the Millennium,” it reminds me of a situation in my ward.

A new couple moved into the boundaries last October. Sometime mid-February, the husband was killed on the Interstate on his motorcycle, leaving his 22-year-old wife one month pregnant. The couple had married in the temple, but I doubt a pretty young woman is going remain a widow for very long. So, the dilemma: If she meets someone else whom she wants to marry, she won’t be able to be sealed to him because the Church doesn’t cancel prior sealings just because the first husband is dead. So this second man could help raise the baby from infancy into adulthood– he/she will probably always know him as “Dad”– and he’ll spend 60 years with the woman, but she will still be sealed to the first. What’s more, the child will always be sealed to their mom and her first husband.

It just seems to me this is one of those situations that have to be worked out in the Millennium.

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By: Jerry http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-79002 Jerry Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:51:25 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-79002 Have to wait until the millenium? What a load of crap. If getting sealed will muck things up very badly then how in the world can the really complicated situations get taken care of? I have always wondered how a sealing can still be in effect if they are married to others. If you break your covenant then isn't the sealing void? This is one of those things that doesn't seem to fit real well. If I break the other covenant I make in the temple then I do not receive the promised reward why is this different?? Have to wait until the millenium? What a load of crap.

If getting sealed will muck things up very badly then how in the world can the really complicated situations get taken care of?

I have always wondered how a sealing can still be in effect if they are married to others. If you break your covenant then isn’t the sealing void? This is one of those things that doesn’t seem to fit real well. If I break the other covenant I make in the temple then I do not receive the promised reward why is this different??

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By: David T. http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-78999 David T. Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:48:40 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-78999 I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I?

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By: Bridget Jack Meyers http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-78998 Bridget Jack Meyers Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:47:16 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-78998 In fact, I have, and I'm seeing him in real life again this Sunday. Still, tall =/= tough. I'm 6'0" and I'd have a hard time beating up Pee Wee Herman. In fact, I have, and I’m seeing him in real life again this Sunday.

Still, tall =/= tough. I’m 6’0″ and I’d have a hard time beating up Pee Wee Herman.

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By: MCQ http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939&cpage=1#comment-78984 MCQ Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:00:45 +0000 http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=939#comment-78984 Um, have you met Kevin in real life? 'Cause I have, and I think you better start shopping for white clothing. He's big enough that he should come with 18 wheels and a sleeper cab. Um, have you met Kevin in real life? ‘Cause I have, and I think you better start shopping for white clothing. He’s big enough that he should come with 18 wheels and a sleeper cab.

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