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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-85059</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to add to the list of people who are contributing to the &#039;man movement&#039; the name of Dr. Paul.
He has a great article here about the war on masculinity: http://www.doctorpaul.net/blog/the-war-on-masculinity/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to add to the list of people who are contributing to the &#8216;man movement&#8217; the name of Dr. Paul.<br />
He has a great article here about the war on masculinity: <a href="http://www.doctorpaul.net/blog/the-war-on-masculinity/" rel="nofollow">http://www.doctorpaul.net/blog/the-war-on-masculinity/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Silus Grok</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-84283</link>
		<dc:creator>Silus Grok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bret … do you mean &quot;thumbs&quot; as in &quot;I like this post&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bret … do you mean &#8220;thumbs&#8221; as in &#8220;I like this post&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-84024</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. Where&#039;s the thumbs for this site, by the way?

I noted today that we had no Father&#039;s Day sacrament meeting even though we certainly had a Mother&#039;s Day one. One more wink and nod:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Where&#8217;s the thumbs for this site, by the way?</p>
<p>I noted today that we had no Father&#8217;s Day sacrament meeting even though we certainly had a Mother&#8217;s Day one. One more wink and nod:)</p>
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		<title>By: Silus Grok</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-84019</link>
		<dc:creator>Silus Grok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting take on the subject (that I&#039;m still reading):

&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124243950942426191.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From Patriarch to Patsy&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;A father of three young children discovers the humiliations of being a modern dad.
&lt;/em&gt;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124243950942426191.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting take on the subject (that I&#8217;m still reading):</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124243950942426191.html" rel="nofollow">From Patriarch to Patsy</a></p>
<p><em>A father of three young children discovers the humiliations of being a modern dad.<br />
</em></p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124243950942426191.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124243950942426191.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Silus Grok</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-83959</link>
		<dc:creator>Silus Grok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan: good call: &quot;emasculating&quot; wasn&#039;t the best choice of terms. I was trying to bridge my comments from the previous section. But I still find the two customs troublesome…

The advice to always let your wife win perpetuates — with a wink and a nudge — the notion that women are weak-minded or otherwise unable to take criticism (and that men are incapable of offering criticism with finesse). And it paints a picture of home life where the wife has the husband by the short hairs. Is everything to be sacrificed on the altar of peace in the home?

The notion that women are our spiritual superiors is just plain false. Broadly speaking, women fundamentally differ from men in their approach to all sorts of things — including their relationship to God, the spiritual realm, and religiosity — but such differences are inherent and not qualitative. Like you said: this isn&#039;t a race. Comparisons are neither helpful nor appropriate. You might as well say &quot;black&quot; is better than &quot;white&quot; or &quot;left&quot; is superior to &quot;right&quot;. 

It all sounds very much like the rhetoric of an age when women were gagged, fettered, and then placed on a pedestal — but it was okay, because they were on a pedestal. It&#039;s nauseating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan: good call: &#8220;emasculating&#8221; wasn&#8217;t the best choice of terms. I was trying to bridge my comments from the previous section. But I still find the two customs troublesome…</p>
<p>The advice to always let your wife win perpetuates — with a wink and a nudge — the notion that women are weak-minded or otherwise unable to take criticism (and that men are incapable of offering criticism with finesse). And it paints a picture of home life where the wife has the husband by the short hairs. Is everything to be sacrificed on the altar of peace in the home?</p>
<p>The notion that women are our spiritual superiors is just plain false. Broadly speaking, women fundamentally differ from men in their approach to all sorts of things — including their relationship to God, the spiritual realm, and religiosity — but such differences are inherent and not qualitative. Like you said: this isn&#8217;t a race. Comparisons are neither helpful nor appropriate. You might as well say &#8220;black&#8221; is better than &#8220;white&#8221; or &#8220;left&#8221; is superior to &#8220;right&#8221;. </p>
<p>It all sounds very much like the rhetoric of an age when women were gagged, fettered, and then placed on a pedestal — but it was okay, because they were on a pedestal. It&#8217;s nauseating.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-83912</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work Silus. I never miss a post of yours if I can help it. Here&#039;s a bit of my own experience and a question for you....

&lt;blockquote&gt;General Authorities and their comments about the spiritual superiority of women and the odd and pervasive comments about wives always being right are as emasculating as the sitcoms.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I&#039;ve been a member all my life and have, in all my travels, associated with thousands of other members in a broad range of locales and cultures (foreign and domestic). 

Outside of the Bloggernacle (repeatedly), I have never heard any male tell me he feels emasculated by these statements. In additiion, I have never felt this way, even in the slightest. Maybe I am not competitive enough or something but I have always viewed my spirituality as a personal journey between me and the Lord - not as an exercise in spirituality comparisons. 

Let&#039;s presume for a moment that GA statements on female spiritual superiority are correct. Why would I feel anything but gladness for their good fortune? Can you explain why this is emasculating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Silus. I never miss a post of yours if I can help it. Here&#8217;s a bit of my own experience and a question for you&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>General Authorities and their comments about the spiritual superiority of women and the odd and pervasive comments about wives always being right are as emasculating as the sitcoms.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a member all my life and have, in all my travels, associated with thousands of other members in a broad range of locales and cultures (foreign and domestic). </p>
<p>Outside of the Bloggernacle (repeatedly), I have never heard any male tell me he feels emasculated by these statements. In additiion, I have never felt this way, even in the slightest. Maybe I am not competitive enough or something but I have always viewed my spirituality as a personal journey between me and the Lord &#8211; not as an exercise in spirituality comparisons. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s presume for a moment that GA statements on female spiritual superiority are correct. Why would I feel anything but gladness for their good fortune? Can you explain why this is emasculating?</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-83876</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I wish all YM teachers would teach against those ideals, but you&#039;re right. It is more the broader culture&#039;s influence:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I wish all YM teachers would teach against those ideals, but you&#8217;re right. It is more the broader culture&#8217;s influence:)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-83861</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret: &lt;em&gt;. . .but church &lt;/em&gt;culture&lt;em&gt; in general still holds a lot of those stereotypes.&lt;/em&gt;

I would see that as more of a case of the broader culture influencing our members, which it&#039;s bound to do, rather than as a quality of Church culture &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt;.  I know I actively teach against those kinds of cultural ideals in my YM classes, and my experience growing up in the Church led me to reject those ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret: <em>. . .but church </em>culture<em> in general still holds a lot of those stereotypes.</em></p>
<p>I would see that as more of a case of the broader culture influencing our members, which it&#8217;s bound to do, rather than as a quality of Church culture <em>per se</em>.  I know I actively teach against those kinds of cultural ideals in my YM classes, and my experience growing up in the Church led me to reject those ideals.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-83860</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I don&#039;t quite understand the concern about posts close together.  I can&#039;t see it having much effect on the amount of attention the first post gets or the response it engenders.  They&#039;re both still above the fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I don&#8217;t quite understand the concern about posts close together.  I can&#8217;t see it having much effect on the amount of attention the first post gets or the response it engenders.  They&#8217;re both still above the fold.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=967&#038;cpage=1#comment-83859</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, it was all clear when I checked. There were no new posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, it was all clear when I checked. There were no new posts.</p>
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