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		<title>By: Whitney</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=972&#038;cpage=1#comment-85189</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth...

Yeah, I agree that people have every right to be angry, but 99% of them don&#039;t understand the ramifications of &quot;running someone out of office.&quot;

I think there&#039;s a fundamental difference between a politician who&#039;s screwing around on his wife and a politician who&#039;s doing so while shirking his duties as an elected official.  I condemn both of their actions, but I certainly don&#039;t expect politicians to act as beacons of morality, and I don&#039;t think they should be legislating morality, so forcing a resignation in the former scenario is, IMO, unnecessary.

Not to mention the fact that when someone leaves office, and indeed, when the public rage is focused directly on them, the staff pays the ultimate price.  Those of us that chose to work in politics definitely assume some amount of risk, but very few of us ever expected to be put in such a horrible situation.  Staff members lose their jobs when their member leaves office, and the sensationalism surrounding a scandal always obscures the very scary change in circumstances facing the staff.  For those of us who were dedicated to our jobs prior to a scandal, there&#039;s the added bonus of having to reconcile those events on an emotional level while carrying a virtual scarlet letter on our resumes for the rest of our professional lives.  And trust me, it sucks.

So when I mentioned earlier that the &quot;public flogging&quot; often directed at philandering politicians is nothing short of shocking and distasteful, I want to emphasize that the common urge to try to beat repentance into a person is often accompanied by very real destruction for those unwittingly caught in the cross-fire.  People can be angry all they want, but they need to understand just how many other people that anger affects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree that people have every right to be angry, but 99% of them don&#8217;t understand the ramifications of &#8220;running someone out of office.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a fundamental difference between a politician who&#8217;s screwing around on his wife and a politician who&#8217;s doing so while shirking his duties as an elected official.  I condemn both of their actions, but I certainly don&#8217;t expect politicians to act as beacons of morality, and I don&#8217;t think they should be legislating morality, so forcing a resignation in the former scenario is, IMO, unnecessary.</p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that when someone leaves office, and indeed, when the public rage is focused directly on them, the staff pays the ultimate price.  Those of us that chose to work in politics definitely assume some amount of risk, but very few of us ever expected to be put in such a horrible situation.  Staff members lose their jobs when their member leaves office, and the sensationalism surrounding a scandal always obscures the very scary change in circumstances facing the staff.  For those of us who were dedicated to our jobs prior to a scandal, there&#8217;s the added bonus of having to reconcile those events on an emotional level while carrying a virtual scarlet letter on our resumes for the rest of our professional lives.  And trust me, it sucks.</p>
<p>So when I mentioned earlier that the &#8220;public flogging&#8221; often directed at philandering politicians is nothing short of shocking and distasteful, I want to emphasize that the common urge to try to beat repentance into a person is often accompanied by very real destruction for those unwittingly caught in the cross-fire.  People can be angry all they want, but they need to understand just how many other people that anger affects.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=972&#038;cpage=1#comment-84837</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t care too much if a politician commits adultery.

It&#039;s when he&#039;s been pompously chest thumping about sexual morality (as a lot of Republicans seem prone to - due to the preferences of their voting base), and then gets caught with his fly open...

Well yeah... that basically makes him a lying hypocrite and he damn well ought to be run out of office for being a pompous blowhard.

He can repent on his own time, and his own dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t care too much if a politician commits adultery.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s when he&#8217;s been pompously chest thumping about sexual morality (as a lot of Republicans seem prone to &#8211; due to the preferences of their voting base), and then gets caught with his fly open&#8230;</p>
<p>Well yeah&#8230; that basically makes him a lying hypocrite and he damn well ought to be run out of office for being a pompous blowhard.</p>
<p>He can repent on his own time, and his own dime.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamonte</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=972&#038;cpage=1#comment-84670</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty - don&#039;t you think it would be a good idea to keep &quot;advertising&quot; - look at #22 - off the response page?  Just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty &#8211; don&#8217;t you think it would be a good idea to keep &#8220;advertising&#8221; &#8211; look at #22 &#8211; off the response page?  Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=972&#038;cpage=1#comment-84619</link>
		<dc:creator>Thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe different people need their own personalized mixture of forgiveness and reprimand.

Maybe the people calling for forgiveness in all contexts are just as screwed up as those calling for judgment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve been thinking about this.  I believe we are required to forgive all men, but the offender still needs to reconcile himself to the Lord.  Members of the Church generally understand this, so a reprimand from me is often unnecessary and more insulting or embarrassing than helpful.  He knows how to pray and how to set up an appointment with the Bishop.

But outside the Church, especially among celebrities, fan-forgiveness is usually the end of the matter.  In my view, some of them need a reproving betimes with sharpness just to wake them up and get repentance moving.  How do we (the public) decry their behavior and get them to take responsibility before God without holding a personal grudge?  Or is it any of our business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe different people need their own personalized mixture of forgiveness and reprimand.</p>
<p>Maybe the people calling for forgiveness in all contexts are just as screwed up as those calling for judgment.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this.  I believe we are required to forgive all men, but the offender still needs to reconcile himself to the Lord.  Members of the Church generally understand this, so a reprimand from me is often unnecessary and more insulting or embarrassing than helpful.  He knows how to pray and how to set up an appointment with the Bishop.</p>
<p>But outside the Church, especially among celebrities, fan-forgiveness is usually the end of the matter.  In my view, some of them need a reproving betimes with sharpness just to wake them up and get repentance moving.  How do we (the public) decry their behavior and get them to take responsibility before God without holding a personal grudge?  Or is it any of our business?</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Fitgzerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Fitgzerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that you appear to be an accomplished blogger particularly on LDS subjects.  I would like to offer you an opportunity to make some money through your sites by running a promotion of BYUTV.  

Outside the state of Utah – it’s relatively easy to get BYUTV – order DISH Network.  That’s where’s I can come in and help you.  I work for one of the largest retailers of DISH Network in the country and I’m always looking for new and unique ways to sell DISH.  What we could do is run some simple campaigns, offering your visitors and readers a great deal on DISH and BYUTV.  For every order we receive we will pay you $100.  

That’s it – that’s all you have to do and you will start monetizing your site.  

I look forward to speaking to you – and hope this is an opportunity you would like to take advantage of.

Thanks,
Bret</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that you appear to be an accomplished blogger particularly on LDS subjects.  I would like to offer you an opportunity to make some money through your sites by running a promotion of BYUTV.  </p>
<p>Outside the state of Utah – it’s relatively easy to get BYUTV – order DISH Network.  That’s where’s I can come in and help you.  I work for one of the largest retailers of DISH Network in the country and I’m always looking for new and unique ways to sell DISH.  What we could do is run some simple campaigns, offering your visitors and readers a great deal on DISH and BYUTV.  For every order we receive we will pay you $100.  </p>
<p>That’s it – that’s all you have to do and you will start monetizing your site.  </p>
<p>I look forward to speaking to you – and hope this is an opportunity you would like to take advantage of.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Bret</p>
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		<title>By: Lamonte</title>
		<link>http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=972&#038;cpage=1#comment-84511</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaylana - I have a much more petty story to tell.  In June of 1993 I was laid off from my position in a large architectural firm. At the time, I had been telling myself that I needed to leave.  I wasn&#039;t enjoying the work and I didn&#039;t like very many of my co-workers.  I was in my late 30&#039;s and they were all 10 years or so younger than me (well not all of them).  Anyway, I survived 3 or 4 other layoffs but just after I concluded what I thought was over and way above my normal duties in completing a project and getting it our the door (when everyone else had to spend Memorial Day at the beach) I was let go.  It would be 9 months before I found other full time work but I managed to survive by doing odd jobs from my basement studio.  Looking back it  is possibly the best thing that could have happened to me.  My career took a turn in a new direction and I have thrived in that new environment.

But despite all of that it took more than 14 years before I was willing to forgive the managing partner that laid me off.  About a year after I left he was demoted and I felt so bad (sarcastially) for feeling so good about that.  Whenever the subject came up, I would work myself into a lather expressing my disdain for him.  But one day I realized that the only person I was hurting with my anger was me.  The other guy probably didn&#039;t even know I was mad at him because on the few occasions that we spoke after I was laid off I treated him with respect.  I can tell myself today that they made a mistake and that it was their loss.  maybe that attitude is what helped me get over it but not until I accepted that it was over, there wasn&#039;t anything I could do to change what happened and my life was better for it happening could I say that I had forgiven.  And finally there is some peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaylana &#8211; I have a much more petty story to tell.  In June of 1993 I was laid off from my position in a large architectural firm. At the time, I had been telling myself that I needed to leave.  I wasn&#8217;t enjoying the work and I didn&#8217;t like very many of my co-workers.  I was in my late 30&#8242;s and they were all 10 years or so younger than me (well not all of them).  Anyway, I survived 3 or 4 other layoffs but just after I concluded what I thought was over and way above my normal duties in completing a project and getting it our the door (when everyone else had to spend Memorial Day at the beach) I was let go.  It would be 9 months before I found other full time work but I managed to survive by doing odd jobs from my basement studio.  Looking back it  is possibly the best thing that could have happened to me.  My career took a turn in a new direction and I have thrived in that new environment.</p>
<p>But despite all of that it took more than 14 years before I was willing to forgive the managing partner that laid me off.  About a year after I left he was demoted and I felt so bad (sarcastially) for feeling so good about that.  Whenever the subject came up, I would work myself into a lather expressing my disdain for him.  But one day I realized that the only person I was hurting with my anger was me.  The other guy probably didn&#8217;t even know I was mad at him because on the few occasions that we spoke after I was laid off I treated him with respect.  I can tell myself today that they made a mistake and that it was their loss.  maybe that attitude is what helped me get over it but not until I accepted that it was over, there wasn&#8217;t anything I could do to change what happened and my life was better for it happening could I say that I had forgiven.  And finally there is some peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgiveness definitely takes time. My brother is has scizophrenia and while in psychosis he did some abusive things to his wife (he was off his meds and was hearing voices and thinking they were God and the Spirit). When it all came out his wife&#039;s family (we happened to be in the same ward) condemned my brother, said he was evil and have done everything possible to keep him in prison without parole, and have done a lot of other things not very Christ-like. It goes both ways, they haven&#039;t forgiven my brother at all and in turn it&#039;s been hard to forgive them for their actions against my brother, but I&#039;m trying! There is a point where one needs to move on...and I don&#039;t think my brother&#039;s ex-in-laws have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgiveness definitely takes time. My brother is has scizophrenia and while in psychosis he did some abusive things to his wife (he was off his meds and was hearing voices and thinking they were God and the Spirit). When it all came out his wife&#8217;s family (we happened to be in the same ward) condemned my brother, said he was evil and have done everything possible to keep him in prison without parole, and have done a lot of other things not very Christ-like. It goes both ways, they haven&#8217;t forgiven my brother at all and in turn it&#8217;s been hard to forgive them for their actions against my brother, but I&#8217;m trying! There is a point where one needs to move on&#8230;and I don&#8217;t think my brother&#8217;s ex-in-laws have.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about that the other day, Seth.  All of us certainly need a swift kick once in a while, and maybe those who don&#039;t forgive right away are put in our lives at particular times to help us to earn the forgiveness we want.  Maybe we need someone to be tough on us so that we actually follow through on our repentance.  In that sense, it could be a good thing that not everyone is able or willing to forgive right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about that the other day, Seth.  All of us certainly need a swift kick once in a while, and maybe those who don&#8217;t forgive right away are put in our lives at particular times to help us to earn the forgiveness we want.  Maybe we need someone to be tough on us so that we actually follow through on our repentance.  In that sense, it could be a good thing that not everyone is able or willing to forgive right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe different people need their own personalized mixture of forgiveness and reprimand.

Maybe the people calling for forgiveness in all contexts are just as screwed up as those calling for judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe different people need their own personalized mixture of forgiveness and reprimand.</p>
<p>Maybe the people calling for forgiveness in all contexts are just as screwed up as those calling for judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% anne.  If you want any kind of relationship with your wife, you don&#039;t get there by saying publicly that your soul mate is someone else, but you&#039;re trying really hard to fall in love with your wife, like she&#039;s some kind of school project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% anne.  If you want any kind of relationship with your wife, you don&#8217;t get there by saying publicly that your soul mate is someone else, but you&#8217;re trying really hard to fall in love with your wife, like she&#8217;s some kind of school project.</p>
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