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Nine Moons » Blog Archive : “God Doesn’t Care” » “God Doesn’t Care”

“God Doesn’t Care”

Don - August 29, 2005

That’s what a Stake President once told me.  I’ve thought long and hard about that and I must say I agree with him.

After a few years of marriage and a sales position that financially was very rewarding, the company was changing ownership.  I didn’t really want to continue to be part of the company with the new owner.  I had a couple of other opportunities on my plate.  I went to my Stake President (since he was my quorum leader at the time) and asked for his counsel and advice.

We determined that remaining with the company or taking any of the other opportunities were all quite equal in almost all areas.  None required moving, all provided about the same flexability, same hours, and relatively the same pay.  What was I to do or how do I decide?  I tried the D&C 7 & 8 program.  I studied, prayed, fasted etc. and didn’t have an answer….that’s why I came to him for counsel.

He told me that sometimes God doesn’t care what we do.  As long as I do what I should then any of those choices would be ok, and God doesn’t care. 

I quit the company and took another opportunity.  I’ve now had the chance to look back many times at that turning point in my life.  Would things have been different if I had made a different choice?  Of course they would.  Would a different choice have made a difference in who I am, or where I’m at spiritually or my family?  If the answer is yes, then God should have said something.

14 Comments »

  1. Yup. God teaches us correct principles and lets us govern ourselves.

    Comment by Geoff J — August 29, 2005 @ 2:36 pm

  2. Even more: God doesn’t care if you drive a mercedes or a pinto–unfortunately. He also doesn’t care if you are an executive or a janitor, I don’t think.

    Comment by john fowles — August 29, 2005 @ 3:02 pm

  3. When I finished grad school, I was praying about the various job offers. I received the answer that the Lord didn’t care where we moved or what I did for a living, but how I raised my family. That said, there are some who are directed into certain professions and locations. Sometimes it’s important, other times it’s like choosing whether to have peas or carrots for dinner.

    Comment by Floyd the Wonderdog — August 29, 2005 @ 3:03 pm

  4. D&C 80:3 gives a clear scriptural precedent for God not caring.

    Wherefore, go ye and preach my gospel, whether to the north or to the south, to the east or to the west, it mattereth not, for ye cannot go amiss.

    And there are other examples in the D&C. But then there is 2 Nephi 32:5, which makes it sound like there is always just one correct decision.

    For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

    Anyone care to harmonize?

    Comment by Last Lemming — August 29, 2005 @ 3:18 pm

  5. Sure: there is only one way to salvation–get baptized by one holding the proper authority from God. God cares about you entering in at that gate.

    But there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of different kinds of cars to drive or careers that will provide sustenance for your family. God doesn’t care about your ride, I would suggest, and from my observations of the disasters that have been the careers of some very righteous people that I know, he doesn’t particularly care if you are successfully climbing the career ladder, as frustrating as that might be for us who want success and comfortable living. When Korihor teaches that man succeeds by management of the creature, he is actually telling the truth, but turning it into a half-truth by suggesting that when man is dead, that is the end thereof. By doing so, he suggests that unethical behavior in managing the creature is fine because there is no consequence after this life, no judgment according to works.

    Comment by john fowles — August 29, 2005 @ 3:38 pm

  6. All,
    Are you suggesting all occupations are morally neutral? Most? Is there a difference between being an executive at Anheiuser Busch, Exxon, or AT&T? Is our moral obligation only toward our family or should we be considering our third-world counterparts, our forrests, and our economy?Does God care about these things?

    Comment by Rusty — August 29, 2005 @ 3:42 pm

  7. All I’m suggesting is that God doesn’t care how much money you make. I don’t like the idea any more than any of you.

    I certainly think that God does care that we are not oppressing others in “managing the creature” so as to amass wealth and prestige unto ourselves. He also, I believe, wishes us to be responsible stewards of this earth, and not to abuse its abundance. So I do think he cares when it comes to occupations that land you in the camp of the usurper.

    Comment by john fowles — August 29, 2005 @ 3:46 pm

  8. John,

    You started getting to it in that last comment. I suspect God might indeed care if we buy a Mercedes or a Pinto. It has to do with proper stewardship over our resources like money. Some of these things (like luxury cars) easily could be grouped with the status symbols warned against in the scriptures usually under the code-name “costly apparel”. A luxury car (or other status symbols) could be “costly apparel” and God seems to care about that.

    Comment by Geoff J — August 29, 2005 @ 4:31 pm

  9. Geoff,
    I hope you’re suggesting “status symbol to said person” not “status symbol to everyone else”. I might be a car lover and want a Benzo becuase it drives well, not because of what other people think of me. Therefore it doesn’t fall into the “costly apparel” trap.

    Also, what if Mercedez Benz does a better job environmentally, treat their employees better, and have better business ethics than Ford (Pinto)? Should those things matter when I purchase a car or is the important thing just how I and those around me feel about it?

    And if I have tons of money, give tons of it to charity and buying a Benz is no big deal (stewardship over my resources), then why not? Are you suggesting something inherently bad in these choices or does it vary from person to person?

    Comment by Rusty — August 29, 2005 @ 4:53 pm

  10. I am not saying that owning a mercedes is bad in any way. I have not made any judgment in what I have written on actually being rich or poor. I am only saying that God doesn’t care if you drive a mercedes or a pinto, so stop praying for the mercedes.

    Comment by john fowles — August 29, 2005 @ 5:14 pm

  11. I don’t think God necessarily has anything against “costly apparel” broadly defined as long as it is not a pride issue. If you wear costly suits but it doesn’t make you think you are better than anyone else, then I don’t think God cares whether you are wearing an Armani or a Mervyns suit. I personally believe that he most certainly does not wish you to live like a Buddhist ascetic, denying yourself of clothing altogether and brushing the street in front of you as you walk so as not to step on any insect. But that’s just my personal view.

    Comment by john fowles — August 29, 2005 @ 5:17 pm

  12. I drive a Mercedes. I actually have two of them. Both of them have over 200K miles on them, and theyre both running like champs. Theyre diesels, and I highly recommend a diesel Mercedes to anyone who doesnt like flushing money down the toilet on a car that is designed to fail at 100K miles. Do I need to extol the safety virtues of 4000 lbs of finely engineered German steel? Anyway…

    I dont think its a matter of God not caring, I think its a matter of us not having the same cares as God. If we cared about the same things as God cared about, then I think we would have more correspondence with God. God’s interests and our own interests are typically quite divergeant, and thats why he may not care about what our interests are. If we reconcile ourselves to Him, then He will take greater interest in our day-to-day activities. If our lives are filled with inane materialistic self-indulgences, well, why would God take an active hand in that? He wouldnt. So, to the extent that we make ourselves of interest to Him, He will communicate with us.

    Comment by Kurt — August 30, 2005 @ 8:16 am

  13. You started getting to it in that last comment. I suspect God might indeed care if we buy a Mercedes or a Pinto.

    Too easy. The early brethren had a dispute and petitioned God about their means of travel. It is in the D&C. He said they could ride in chariots for all he cared, there were more important things …

    Makes for good reading, should have been in the Gospel Doctrine lesson about 3-4 months ago ;)

    Comment by Stephen M (Ethesis) — August 31, 2005 @ 9:03 am

  14. Stephen,

    The point had nothing to do with the type of vehicle used. It had everything to do with the use of money. It seems to me that God cares vey much about our choices when it comes to spending our money. If we insist on spending $80,000 on a new Mercedes, it is not because we want a reliable or even a comfortable car — reliablility and even some luxury cars could be purchased at a fraction of that $80,000. If we try to tell ourselves that God doesn’t care how we spend our money (or time, or talents forthat matter) then we are wresting the scriptures. He does care about those things.

    Comment by Geoff J — August 31, 2005 @ 2:58 pm

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