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BoH Contest, Prize Inside

Rusty - October 26, 2005

Always aiming to please our readers, we here at Nine Moons will host a “guess the Banner of Heaven character” contest. The rules are these:

1) You can guess as many times as you like (we understand this desire because new evidence is always surfacing), however your last guess is the only one that counts (so you’ll want to update your whole list each time you change).

2) Anyone can guess, including the BoHers (please, please, please!!).

3) In the case of a tiebreaker there will be multiple prizes awarded (but not divided like those cheap lottery folks).

The prizes are a t-shirt and poster of our beloved Aaron.

poster

t-shirt

The poster will be signed by yours truly, A Random John, Kurt and anyone else in the Bloggernacle who would like to prove their own existence. (if you are one of those people please contact me at rustyclifton at gmail dot com)

Our characters are:

Jenn
Miranda
Aaron Cox
Septimus
Mari
Greg

Game on!

155 Comments »

  1. My current list:

    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Miranda = Naomi Frandsen
    Aaron = Aaron Brown
    Septimus = Bob Caswell
    Mari = Elisabeth Smith
    Greg = Ronan Head

    Subject to change.

    Comment by Kurt — October 26, 2005 @ 2:15 pm

  2. Jenn = not me
    Miranda = not me
    Aaron = not me
    Septimus = not me
    Mari = not me

    Inasmuch as those are all true, can I get a T-shirt? BTW, Rusty, that is a cool T! Slap ldsblogs.org on the back and we have another winner.

    Comment by Ronan — October 26, 2005 @ 2:20 pm

  3. Oh, and calm down:

    Greg = not me.

    Comment by Ronan — October 26, 2005 @ 2:20 pm

  4. Do I get a free shirt for coming up with the idea? I assume that I am not eligible for the contest.

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 2:23 pm

  5. It’s like a Mormon Che shirt. That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you.

    Comment by J. Stapley — October 26, 2005 @ 2:25 pm

  6. I love it. Aaron is the mormon Che Guevara. Here are my guesses:

    Jenn = Davis Bell
    Miranda = Rosalynde Welch
    Aaron = Aaron Brown
    Septimus = Kaimi Wenger
    Mari = Lisa B.
    Greg = Ronan Head

    Comment by Steve Evans — October 26, 2005 @ 2:27 pm

  7. Anyone going to get Aaron Fenton to sign this thing? now THAT would be valuable.

    Comment by Steve Evans — October 26, 2005 @ 2:30 pm

  8. I’d buy one of those tshirts.

    Comment by Susan M — October 26, 2005 @ 2:30 pm

  9. ARJ, you’re definitely eligible. But I think if you get first place we can still award the second place a t-shirt as well :)

    My list:

    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Miranda = Naomi Frandsen
    Aaron = Kaimi Wenger
    Septimus = Bob Caswell
    Mari = FMHLisa
    Greg = Ronan

    Comment by Rusty — October 26, 2005 @ 2:33 pm

  10. Rusty, I am glad you can finally put those ample design skills to some use in this world. The design rocks!

    Comment by Geoff J — October 26, 2005 @ 2:35 pm

  11. Who lives in NC? Of course you’d have to explain this whole thing (or have a good story) to get Aaron to sign. Or show up at a game and get him to sign it there.

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 2:36 pm

  12. Rusty,

    You’ve stolen my list! I can just make my own crappy shirt then. :(

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 2:37 pm

  13. I changed my mind about Ronan. Becky would know and she is honest and she denies it. I now think Ronan was just playing along.

    Comment by Geoff J — October 26, 2005 @ 2:38 pm

  14. And if you don’t include DKL on you list you will regret it.

    My latest vote:

    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Miranda = Naomi Frandsen
    Aaron = Kaimi Wenger (thanks rusty – Aaron B remains the backup here)
    Septimus = DKL
    Mari = ?
    Greg = ?

    Comment by Geoff J — October 26, 2005 @ 2:42 pm

  15. I see Bob on so many people’s lists. How did he get mixed up in all this speculation? I haven’t seen anyone give a reason, and I’m curious.

    Comment by Logan — October 26, 2005 @ 2:50 pm

  16. Careful Logan, talk like that is how I got on the list too!!

    Wait a sec… LOGAN…. hmm…

    Comment by Steve Evans — October 26, 2005 @ 2:52 pm

  17. Is there reason to think definitive identification is forthcoming? Is there a Halloween special in store where we learn the true story behind UFOs, Bigfoot, Lemurians, Septimus, and Miranda Pyjama?

    I have no idea who the writers are, but I strongly doubt there are six of them. At least Septimus and Aaron B. Cox are the work of the same person, and my best guess is that one person is doing all the characters. So, using Ronan’s hint I’ll cast a straight party ticket and try:
    Miss Frandsen as PJ,
    Miss Frandsen as Sep,
    Miss Frandsen as Cox,
    Miss Frandsen as Mailer,
    Miss Frandsen as Collier, and
    Miss Frandsen as Fox.

    I don’t know about the T-shirt, though. It seems like a worse abuse of Mr. Fenton’s face than the preceeding misappropriation. Is anyone going to contact the poor man?

    Comment by John Mansfield — October 26, 2005 @ 3:00 pm

  18. I wonder if it would be a compliment or an insult to be accused.

    Actually, I’m trying to decide if Bob has it in him to pull a fast one on even me. That would be impressive.

    Comment by Logan — October 26, 2005 @ 3:01 pm

  19. I feel like Cotton Mather at the Salem Witch Trials. Soon we’ll find out, some are accusing others because they want their property! (All quibbles when analyzed are about real estate.)

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 26, 2005 @ 3:07 pm

  20. D’oh! How could I have missed that Naomi is Miranda? It is all so obvious in hindsight. I remember an exchange between “Miranda” and Rosalynde on T&S where “Miranda” made a cutting remark about Rosalynde. Poor Steve Evans tried to defend Rosalynde and was mocked for his trouble by both of them. They are sisters!

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 3:08 pm

  21. By the way, much as I like the designs, that Aaron guy is a real guy, a college student who probably has a rich family (went to Choate and Duke). I would… be careful using his image.

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 26, 2005 @ 3:08 pm

  22. John Mansfield,

    Do you mean Naomi? You hadn’t better be using the ambiguity of your answers to try to win.

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 3:09 pm

  23. D,

    Good point. Any lawyers want to comment on the following idea:

    Rusty’s use is parody of the BoH. It is protected as such. The BoH however has infringed copyright as the image is not theirs and Duke University has the copyright on it.

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 3:17 pm

  24. My guesses aren’t very surprising. I think there are at least 2 writers over there, very probably Naomi Frandsen and Aaron Brown. I can’t think any other way than the Aaron B. name was chosen deliberately to be a clue.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Naomi and Aaron are mixing it up, though. Perhaps Aaron has chosen to write mostly as Miranda and Jenn, and Naomi does Septimus and Aaron, or maybe they switch off.

    I don’t think Steve Evans is a writer over there, but he knows who they are, and probably was initially invited to participate.

    Obviously Rosalynde knows, as well.

    Sadly, at this point, I think it’s a bit tiresome, not funny, and I do feel a bit betrayed, though that was perhaps the point. Fortunately, I was never the brunt of anyone’s pointed joke (though it’s pretty easy to make fun of me, admittedly).

    :)

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 26, 2005 @ 3:31 pm

  25. Can you imagine how weird it would be for Aaron Fenton if he somehow found his way to this post and saw his face on a t-shirt?

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 3:42 pm

  26. I’m actually relieved that Aaron B. Cox isn’t real. I was beginning to be attracted…

    C’mon D, the jokes write themselves!

    Comment by Rusty — October 26, 2005 @ 3:48 pm

  27. D’s comments about feeling betrayed have sparked a new idea for me. If these are established people in the bloggernacle, they probably feel very guilty about deceiving us for so long. Therefore, they themselves probably have been stirring up the “Banner is fake” rumors so that it would soften the blow for the rest of us. Therefore, Geoff J is a witch!! I mean, in on it! They probably got their blog friends, like Rusty, to stir up this inquisition so that we wouldn’t be so mad at them once the curtain is lifted! Rusty is also a witch!

    I wonder if “Sleuth,” the person who uncovered the true identity of Aaron’s picture was not Aaron Cox himself? J’accuse the accusers!

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 3:53 pm

  28. Therefore, my latest guesses are:

    Septimus = Rusty
    Aaron = Aaron B
    Miranda = Naomi
    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Mari = Sumer Evans
    Greg = aRJ

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 3:57 pm

  29. Sweet, we can mark NFlanders off the list of possible contenders.

    Comment by Rusty — October 26, 2005 @ 4:10 pm

  30. One thing many of these lists fail to take into account: the relationship between the suspects. In some of the lists the fact that many of these people could end up collaborating is improbable, if not impossible.

    Comment by Davis Bell — October 26, 2005 @ 4:11 pm

  31. Jenn = Davis
    Miranda = Naoimi
    Aaron = Aaron
    Septimus = Kaimi
    Greg = Steve
    Mari = Nate Oman

    Although, my actual feeling is that one or more people are doubling up…there are probably actually only 2 or 3 writers, but that’s harder to guess.

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 26, 2005 @ 4:19 pm

  32. Geoff J: And if you don’t include DKL on you list you will regret it.

    Is that a threat?

    Comment by DKL — October 26, 2005 @ 4:30 pm

  33. I am voting for JMW for all of them. His skill as a puppet master is on full display here as he manipulates each of these characters with expertise. Plus his going away outburst provides the perfect cover! I’m laying all my bets on Mr. Wilson.

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 4:33 pm

  34. “In some of the lists the fact that many of these people could end up collaborating is improbable, if not impossible.”

    Good point, Davis.

    Jenn = Davis Bell
    Sep = Ryan Bell
    Miranda = Naomi
    Aaron = Steve Evans
    Mari = who cares?
    Greg = Ronan

    It looks like you’re off the hook, Rusty. Can I get back on the list of contenders?

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 4:36 pm

  35. Who are six people who have never been in my kitchen?

    Comment by Cliff Clavin — October 26, 2005 @ 4:39 pm

  36. Question: Given what are often assumed (wrongly) to be Aaron Brown’s various false identities, does it seem likely that he would adopt his own given name as part of a pseudonym?

    Aaron B

    Comment by Aaron Brown — October 26, 2005 @ 4:39 pm

  37. aRJ– I though about JMW because if you look at Aaron’s very first post, JMW is the only one defending him. I think it would be funnier, though, if Aaron was an over-the-top satire that accidentally happened to coincide with JMW real (crazy) views.

    I don’t think JMW could have written anything as racy as some of the stuff Miranda has done.

    This kind of reminds me of the book Ender’s Game when the kids create fake internet personalities that are the opposite of their personal feelings. Since OSC is such a Mormon celebrity, I wouldn’t be surprised if that is where the BoHers got their idea.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 4:40 pm

  38. Jenn = Frank MacIntyre
    Sep = Wilfried Decoo
    Miranda = Sumer Evans
    Aaron = Jordan Fowles
    Mari = Chelsea Grimmius
    Greg = Russell Arben Fox

    Comment by DKL — October 26, 2005 @ 4:42 pm

  39. I don’t know who any of these anonymous, unfunny, verbally-challenged hooligans are, but I’m damn sure where they’re all going to end up in the next life. FREAKS.

    Comment by Prudence McPrude — October 26, 2005 @ 4:42 pm

  40. …does it seem likely that he would adopt his own given name as part of a pseudonym?

    Who knows man. You sign your name at the bottom of all your comments, apparently you like the name a lot, why would we suspect you’d be willing to part with it?

    Comment by Rusty — October 26, 2005 @ 4:44 pm

  41. C’mon Aaron! If you had ever posted under another name that would be one thing, but obviously you only post as Aaron, whether it be Cox or Brown it mattereth not!

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 4:51 pm

  42. Sep = WILFRIED??!?

    Comment by Steve Evans — October 26, 2005 @ 4:55 pm

  43. This may seem a bit obvious, but how exactly will you judge the winners, Rusty? Do you know who is behind BoH? If you do, you shouldn’t participate. If you don’t, then how will you figure out who wins?

    Comment by Steve Evans — October 26, 2005 @ 5:02 pm

  44. Sheesh — how the hell did I get on everyone’s lists? At least let me be Miranda, guys.

    Anyway, here’s my guess: Aaron Brown is actually Prudence McPrude. He may well be Ned Flanders and ArJ too. He’s probably DKL as well, and possibly Mormon Inquiring Dave.

    Side note #1: What about a writer type? Is William Morris involved? Eric Stone? Eric Snider?

    Side note #2: I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this was at least partly the work of the Westchester mafia. Where did danithew disappear to all of a sudden? When you see Septimus writing “Chupacabra!,” don’t say you weren’t warned.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 26, 2005 @ 5:02 pm

  45. Lol. That comment wasn’t meant to turn suspicion back on me.

    What’s the rationale for me being Jenn? That I’m single and live in Manhattan? Weak sauce. Plus, I already pink swore.

    Comment by Davis Bell — October 26, 2005 @ 5:23 pm

  46. This is getting so funny. This alone is payoff for the twisted minds behind BOH. Conspiracies turning back on themselves to become double counter-anti crypto-conspiracies.

    Comment by Davis Bell — October 26, 2005 @ 5:26 pm

  47. Steve,
    I don’t know who is behind BoH so I’m eligible (though it doesn’t matter because if I want a t-shirt I can make one myself).

    If it wasn’t obvious already I’m guessing by the way things are going over there lately they’re building up to something. Each post within the last two weeks has been much more sensational than previously posted. That’s just a guess based on the information at hand.

    I think they’re also realizing that the joke is getting old and they need to reveal themselves while they’re on top. It would be quite lame to unmask themselves long after people had abandoned the blog. They’re smarter than that.

    It seems that everyone in the ‘nacle is ready for it to be over. It’s time to move on. I know that if they don’t reveal themselves within the few weeks I probably won’t visit there anymore. What, are we all supposed to seriously return and participate in the discussions over there? Right.

    Comment by Rusty — October 26, 2005 @ 5:28 pm

  48. Guilty as charged, guilty as charged, guilty as charged!

    Aaron B

    Comment by Aaron Brown — October 26, 2005 @ 5:28 pm

  49. Jenn = Jim Faulconer
    Sep = Jim Faulconer
    Miranda = Jim Faulconer
    Aaron = Jim Faulconer
    Mari = Jim Faulconer
    Greg = Jim Faulconer

    You heard it here first.

    Aaron B

    Comment by Aaron Brown — October 26, 2005 @ 5:32 pm

  50. You would not treat the Book of Mormon this way. No you wouldn’t.

    You read the Book. And you ponder it. You study it in your heart and mind. Then you can know its truth. For that is the promise.

    You would not learn its truth by listening to the critics. There are people outside the temple who will tell you its a lie. And they are wrong. Just as this post.

    One more thing. I heard a story a long time ago in seminary. A man found a diamond in a field. But the critics would no look at the diamond. They said no diamonds could be in that field. And they were wrong. You can’t tell unless you LOOK at the diamond.

    Comment by Aaron — October 26, 2005 @ 5:45 pm

  51. Aaron, we’ve been lookin at the ‘diamond’ pretty closely for six months now and, it seems that most of us are still pretty unsure what it is, but whatever it is, it’s not a diamond.

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 26, 2005 @ 5:50 pm

  52. By the way, Aaron. Could you give us a little background on how you found that picture and why you used that one? Did the athlete portray a kind of strength that you want to give off? Also, are the pictures of the other BoH’s real or did you all find fake pictures?

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 26, 2005 @ 5:53 pm

  53. Is it a puzzle, Aaron? Is there a clue right in your bio, like some kind of acrostic?

    I see the names Marie, Christopher, Amber, Susanne, which is MCAS, plus A for Aaron, makes AMCAS. Camas, Samac, A Masc, A Scam!

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 26, 2005 @ 5:57 pm

  54. D,
    That’s brilliant! I pick D for my CSI team!

    Comment by Rusty — October 26, 2005 @ 6:00 pm

  55. Between Banner and my wife, I can’t take it anymore. Haven’t been to a strip joint or had a drink since 93. But tonight it’s Thee Doll House and I’m going to find out if that Grey Goose stuff is all it’s hyped up to be. Or maybe I’ll go to that low life place on 70 south of town.

    Comment by Steve EM — October 26, 2005 @ 6:01 pm

  56. Rusty,

    What! I did all the CSI work here! /sulk

    Comment by a random John — October 26, 2005 @ 6:02 pm

  57. Isn’t one potential indication which people are commenting there under their real names?

    So, just going down the list of the last 200 comments, here are some of the frequent commenters:

    Bryce: 7
    DKL: 11
    Naomi: 6
    ArJ: 16
    Kristin Johnson: 12
    Annegb: 8

    arJ, can you whip up some sort of number-cruncher that will give comment counts per person? I think that will take us a long way towards unmasking.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 26, 2005 @ 6:13 pm

  58. Here’s my explanation:

    Jenn = Frank MacIntyre: Only Frank can talk about boobs that way.

    Sep = Wilfried Decoo: Wilfried is using Septimus’s experience with UFOs, cattle mutilations, Dale, and the Sister Missionaries as metaphors for how American imperialism and chauvinism offends the delicate sensibilities of Neo-Bonepartist Europe.

    Miranda = Sumer Evans: Look at the photo. It’s Sumer with a wig.

    Aaron = Jordan Fowles: Requires no explanation.

    Mari = Chelsea Grimmius: Anyone who’s ever seen her contributions to the bloggernacle should recognize this one right off the bat.

    Greg = Russell Arben Fox: Through Greg, Russell is able to vicariously lives his dream as a single, non-Mormon guy with almost no income.

    Comment by DKL — October 26, 2005 @ 6:17 pm

  59. In terms of puzzles, there’s also the name Septimus, which means “seventh one.” 7, something about 7.

    Of course, there are only 6 permabloggers there.

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 26, 2005 @ 6:18 pm

  60. Good point Kaimi, which leads me to suspect DKL. Back when BoH had their Top 15 most frequent commenters bar, DKL was far and away #1.

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 26, 2005 @ 6:20 pm

  61. “Aaron = Jordan Fowles: Requires no explanation.”

    Ha! If this is true, then Jordan sure spent a lot of time arguing with himself about the value of graduate education.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 6:23 pm

  62. NFlanders, so what’s the identity theory then? Is it comment counts, or dispositional sympathy?

    Comment by DKL — October 26, 2005 @ 6:26 pm

  63. That’s a good question, DKL, but I just can’t imagine anyone being so vain that they argue with themselves for hours on end.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 6:35 pm

  64. NF,

    As a general matter, you’re probably right. But if there’s any chance that that rule has an exception, the exception has to be David. Right?

    And haven’t we seen David/Arturo arguments in the past?

    Comment by Kaimi — October 26, 2005 @ 6:45 pm

  65. I think it very unlikely that DKL is any of the BofH characters, as I seriously doubt that DKL exists. It seems much more likely to me that Steve Evans and Clark Goble cooked him up as a sort of philosophically-sophisticated-male-jerk persona to annoy the women at T&S. From there it just took off, and I think that no less than half a dozen different people have been posting as DKL.

    Comment by Nate Oman — October 26, 2005 @ 7:16 pm

  66. Nate,

    I’ve met DKL (begin brain meltdown).

    STOOOOPPP!!!

    Comment by Ronan — October 26, 2005 @ 7:21 pm

  67. Ronan, take the blue pill. Trust me.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 26, 2005 @ 7:30 pm

  68. Ronan: Did you really meet DKL, or did you simply meet someone that Clark Goble (that sly coniving guy) and Steve enlisted to play DKL?

    For example, I think that Artuoro Tusconni was actually originally simply a DKL knock-off. My theory is that Kiami was talking with Steve and heard about his creation of “DKL.” Thinking that it sounded like a fun game, Kiami created his own DKL-like character, AT. After a while, Kiami got bored with the character and rather than killing him off, agree to allow Steve (who is nothing if not a bloggernacle empire builder) to merge AT and DKL together.

    Comment by Nate Oman — October 26, 2005 @ 7:52 pm

  69. I continue to be amazed at ze dog zat is not barking here. Ze single most obvious name in ze nackle has yet to surface.

    Hmm.

    Comment by rudy — October 26, 2005 @ 8:10 pm

  70. Kaimi: And haven’t we seen David/Arturo arguments in the past?

    Uh, no. I never posted as David King Landrith and Arturo Toscanini at the same time. In fact, I don’t even think that I have posted as DKL and David King Landrith at the same time. They’re pseudonyms, not personae.

    Nate, who knew you had a sense of humor?

    Comment by DKL — October 26, 2005 @ 10:06 pm

  71. Well, I have met DKL and can assure you is very real and very dashing (and he writes all his own posts–really).

    Comment by DKL's Wife — October 26, 2005 @ 10:12 pm

  72. Why isn’t Annegb ever suspected? She participates on BoH, she is well-known within the bloggernacle, but doesn’t have any blog to call her home…

    Comment by Anonymous — October 26, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

  73. David,

    When did you make the jump to initials? Was there a reason for the change?

    Comment by Kaimi — October 26, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

  74. I feel fried…I don’t know if I even care who is who anymore.

    Comment by kristen j — October 26, 2005 @ 10:21 pm

  75. Great! Make me the ugliest of all the BoH bloggers. I can’t be Mari, because I donated all my Gunny Sax dresses to DI in 1989. And I can categorically and unequivocally state that I have never blogged at BoH.

    Comment by Elisabeth — October 26, 2005 @ 10:25 pm

  76. Kaimi, I moved to “DKL” for reasons similar to why I moved to “Arturo Toscanini”: to be less google’able. (I ditched “Arturo Toscanini,” because people kept referring to it as a persona or assuming that I was trying to hide behind it, and enough people continued to refer to me by my full name that it didn’t prove terribly effective anyway.)

    Comment by DKL — October 26, 2005 @ 10:28 pm

  77. I have met both DKL and his wife and they are both very nice and attractive people (although, don’t ask DKL to tell his mission story. Or his BYU stories. Or his story of how he got kicked off T&S). Their kids are cute, too.

    Comment by Elisabeth — October 26, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

  78. Elisabeth,

    First, no one listens to Kurt anyway. And second, clearly Kurt chose Mari because he suspected misdirection — no one would suspect the ugliest blogger to be you, after all. :P

    For similar reasons, of course, people keep linking me to Aaron and Sep. They know that, if I were doing this, I would deliberately choose to be one of the crazies. That way, no one would suspect. After all, my real incarnation is the epitome of sanity and level-headedness.

    Lest anyone read this the wrong way, I am NOT actually Septimush, or Aaron.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 26, 2005 @ 10:45 pm

  79. I think the snarker is somehow involved over at BoH, whomever he is.

    If it’s fake that is. It’s only interesting now because it is suspected to be fake. If it’s real, it has no appeal to me, but conspiracies are fun.

    Comment by Crystal — October 26, 2005 @ 10:46 pm

  80. Elisabeth, I didnt really think you did. That was just a little poke in the eye for you, quid pro quo.

    Comment by Kurt — October 26, 2005 @ 10:47 pm

  81. Actually, I think that Kaimi is Greg. I don’t think that annegb is any of them. I think that Steve knows who’s who.

    Comment by Heather P. — October 26, 2005 @ 10:49 pm

  82. I think Steve might be in the know, but I don’t suspect him of actually authoring a character.

    Wouldn’t that just be an unnatural amount of participation in the ‘Nacle? I mean, he’s gotta eat and breathe sometime, right? ;o)

    Comment by Crystal — October 26, 2005 @ 10:53 pm

  83. Au contraire, Crystal! As a robot I require neither oxygen nor nutrition. hence I am able to blog constantly with no need for rest. That is how I am able to be the mastermind of oh so many enterprises.

    Unfortunately, shelving my metallic breasts as Jenn-bot is less than satisfactory. Had I emotions, I would no doubt feel… cheap?

    Comment by Steve Evans — October 26, 2005 @ 11:04 pm

  84. Steve,

    Don’t worry, buddy. I don’t think there’s any question — you’ve got the most impressive breasts of the whole BoH crowd.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 12:21 am

  85. OK, here are the relevant facts.

    1. I just wasted like an hour doing this, so I better get a pretty cool t-shirt out of it.

    2. DKL, you are going to have to learn to spell my name right. It would be fine if you were the sort to make lots of spelling errors, but as it your gratuitous misspelling has got to go. With me now, “McIntyre”.

    3. Jenn Mailer posted at T&S for a while back in May. Apparently she works for the same firm as Steve Evans, because they are using the same law firm IP address.

    4. DKL and Miranda also apparently both attended the MHA meetings, and they posted from the same Vermont IP during those days in May.

    5. Aaron B. Cox posts from a Uruguayan IP. That is a little odd for a guy living in Atlanta. Miranda has also availed herself of fake IP addresses in Montevideo. But I have no facts beyond that on ABC. (Good Job ABC!)

    6. Greg Fox is not a big poster at T&S. But he did post once from a Verizon Internet Service IP. The only other person to use that IP address, and she has used it repeatedly, is the beloved Naomi Frandsen.

    7. Mari has posted twice. Her IP’s are both drawn from a Verizon pool quite similar to the one from which Allison of “don’t let’s start” has posted.

    8. This is probably the best one. Septimus has also posted from a few different IPs. All of his IPs have also been used by only one other poster– Brian G., former T&S guest-blogger, friend of Rosalynde, and TV show writer (or something). Thanks for the free show Brian.

    Thanks to everyone for playing. For the record, I don’t think it was a good idea. But I’m one of those guys that thinks historicity matters, so there you go.

    Comment by Frank McIntyre — October 27, 2005 @ 12:37 am

  86. Frank: I think that would suggest that ABC is RoastedTomatoes who seems to live in Latin America.

    Comment by Nate Oman — October 27, 2005 @ 12:44 am

  87. Frank rocks! Many BoH’s have posted here in the last few days, what can you confirm, Rusty?

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 27, 2005 @ 12:54 am

  88. Nate,

    RT is actually at Berkeley now, I believe. We have his typical IP address on file. I was assuming that the ABC one was just faked.

    Comment by Frank McIntyre — October 27, 2005 @ 12:57 am

  89. Frank. You. Rule.

    BTW — RT now lives stateside. I guess a check of the timing of his move might clear that up.

    Rusty, I think Frank wins.

    I did get Steve, DKL, and Naomi right. Brian G, Allison, are very fitting actors for the other. Unknown Aaron will still be fun (I doubt it is RT personally)

    Comment by Geoff J — October 27, 2005 @ 12:59 am

  90. Geoff,

    I think that only your latest vote counts, per Rusty’s rules. Also, I think you mixed up some of the people, as compared to the Frank list. But yes, you did mention three of the names that eventually showed up on the Frank list.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 1:02 am

  91. Now that the jig is up we will let the curtain raise and the actors can come out to receive their ovations or tomatoes depending on how the audience feels about the “play” many of them didn’t know they were attending until this week…

    Comment by Geoff J — October 27, 2005 @ 1:09 am

  92. HA!!! Frank, you do rule.

    Well, now that the veil has been lifted, I can confirm only two (the only two that have posted at 9M)

    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Aaron B. Cox = Kaimi

    Comment by Rusty — October 27, 2005 @ 1:15 am

  93. Good point Kaimi… Maybe there is a point system that rewards guessing actors right and then guess the actor-character matchup right… Did anyone else get three actors right? I just checked and it looks I can came in second place to Frank! (I’ll let the officials make the final ruling of course…)

    See DKL — they should of trusted me. I’m the only voter that knows how lovable you truly are apparently.

    Comment by Geoff J — October 27, 2005 @ 1:16 am

  94. Aaron B. Cox = Kaimi

    Sweeet! I got 4 outta 6!

    Comment by Geoff J — October 27, 2005 @ 1:18 am

  95. By the way, good show Brian. It makes perfect sense, you being a TV writer and all. I’m not sure if this was a comedy or drama though.

    So are we done yet? Please tell me we’re done.

    Oh, and Frank, you surely win the t-shirt and poster. Bravo.

    Comment by Rusty — October 27, 2005 @ 1:20 am

  96. Steve is not a surprise to me — girls don’t really think about “cupping,” or “shelves.”

    (If Sumer wrote those passages, I’m truly embarrassed.)

    But I gotta admit, I’m completely stunned about Kaimi. I’m not sure… I really know what the point of all of that was, but at least, I can sleep tonight.

    :)

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 27, 2005 @ 1:25 am

  97. Umm, Frank? A nitpick (or, a query).

    Are you just using the T&S wordpress files? Or are you using other records?

    DKL wasn’t _posting_ at T&S in May. His commenting privileges were suspended quite a bit earlier than that.

    One of Miranda’s addresses does match one of DKL’s (from January) at a general level — they’ve both posted from 138.88.x.x . But unless you’ve got access to more than just T&S wordpress files, I think that’s as close a match as you can nail down. And a number of people have used 138.88.x.x addresses, including Nate Oman and Karen Hall.

    That said, (1) DKL is probably the most obvious match as far as the “suspects” list goes; and (2) if you’ve got access to other records, you may have made a better match than I can make from the T&S wordpress files.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 1:29 am

  98. Rusty,

    Aaron isn’t me; that much I can confirm.

    I did post a fake-Aaron comment to 9M today, but that was just an attempt to make Steve freak out and start wondering who was impersonating his fake bloggers.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 1:33 am

  99. See, this is the problem. People are still lying. Or telling the truth. So now we sit around and question our friends if they’re lying to our faces or not.

    This is a great community we have here.

    Comment by Rusty — October 27, 2005 @ 1:39 am

  100. That’s a good point, Rusty. And for that reason alone I think they should all come out now. I just mentioned over at T&S that no harm is done, but that’s a situation where harm could be done.

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 27, 2005 @ 1:42 am

  101. It’s not me, Rusty. I have too much going on all day to be Aaron Cox.

    I also enjoy bugging Steve. Hence the quick, one-shot, fake-Aaron comment. (Prominently placed on a thread that I knew Steve was watching). It was entirely intended to make Steve sweat even more than he already was.

    Sorry. ABC has covered his tracks very well.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 1:45 am

  102. Aaron B Cox,

    Please don’t come out yet! I have a plan…

    Comment by a random John — October 27, 2005 @ 1:48 am

  103. Doh! I’m back to 50% again.

    Comment by Geoff J — October 27, 2005 @ 1:48 am

  104. (FWIW, if I _was_ Aaron, and I chose only to access _T&S_ through a proxy server, I would damn well access _9M_ through the same proxy.

    Real-Aaron has covered his tracks very well, well enough that Frank can’t trace him from his T&S comments. He’s used an anonymous proxy 100% of the time).

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 1:49 am

  105. Kaimi,
    I actually emailed Steve today asking why you would be so stupid as to comment as Aaron at 9M. I was baffled. So this makes sense.

    Comment by Rusty — October 27, 2005 @ 1:53 am

  106. Kaimi,

    Miranda posted from the same IP address as “The Eminent Mormon,” who wrote a comment about the Boston Bloggernacle Beach Party, which DKL attended, and the comment focused on DKL, and the comment sounds like DKL.

    The Millennial Star logs confirm the information Frank posted, though I couldn’t find anything about Mari.

    BTW, J. Max Wilson was the first to solve the puzzle.

    Comment by Matt Evans — October 27, 2005 @ 1:59 am

  107. Ahh, gotcha. I hadn’t checked on that one.

    Very good, carry on.

    Comment by Kaimi — October 27, 2005 @ 2:03 am

  108. I have no proof, but I’d be all sorts of surprised if Aaaron B. Cox weren’t Aaron Brown.

    Comment by Davis Bell — October 27, 2005 @ 2:24 am

  109. You know what? I really don’t get this, at all. I’m not generally that dense. I’m even in favor of all kinds of frivolous and fun and self-absorbed things, in the name of a good time. But this whole thing, i really don’t get it.

    Most of my confustion springs from that fact that BoH has never been that interesting to me. (no offence BoH, you’re just not my thing, I guess. You’ve obviously struck a cord somewhere) (congratulations)

    Since all this has been brewing, I’ve made an extra effort to go there, to find the source of all this . . . interest. I’m still so clueless.

    When reading BoH I feel no outrage, no suspicion, no dismay. No interest. And for the life of me I can’t figure out why you all do. Why do you care? Real or fake? Sincere or joke? Does any of that matter if it’s not interesting or insightful or funny or powerful or well-written or something noteworthy (sorry BoH read disclaimer above).

    I feel much the same way about the Snarker. He obviously thinks he funny and insightful. I think he’s yawn and hopeful and a little pitiful. (sorry Snarker, I’m not your audiance either) (I’m sure you’re good at other stuff)

    OTOH, I thought that Mormon Shadow guy who disappeared many many months ago was a riot. I wish he’d return and satire-ize us.

    What in the holy heck are you people kicking up all this dust about? I’m not meaning to rain on ya’ll’s parade, not that I could. I just honestly want someone to explain to me the mysterious source of all this . . . energy.

    Comment by fMhLisa — October 27, 2005 @ 3:24 am

  110. I’ve determined that the only appropriate reaction of someone who doesn’t care about or understand any of this is… to be offended that no one thinks any of those people are really me. *sniff*

    Comment by Sarah — October 27, 2005 @ 4:02 am

  111. Matt Evans– when you say JMW was the first to figure it out, exactly when are you talking about? Pass along our hearty thanks for sitting on this information.

    I know I shouldn’t be angry, but I have to admit I’m a little peeved. Maybe not at Brian G, since he’s such a good writer, and maybe not at ABC, as he is a genius, but Steve! How could you? For six months?

    Hrrmph.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 27, 2005 @ 8:10 am

  112. Matt and Frank, I didn’t see Miranda at MHA, but there were a lot of people. Chances are, though, we were staying at the same hotel, and that hotel used Network Address Translation. Thus, at least some outgoing IP addresses would be the same.

    Comment by DKL — October 27, 2005 @ 9:00 am

  113. fmhLisa,

    Now that you know BoH was a hoax you know that most of the “interest” in BoH was simply self-promotion by the participants, using their reputations established elsewhere to shepherd readers to their joke. If there’s anything immoral about the prank I think it’s the participants promoting themeselves without disclosing that information to their readers.

    NFlanders,

    JMW was able to discern four of the participants using Millennial Star’s log files. They’d left tracks last summer. Now that JMW is no longer blogging, however, he didn’t know what to do with the information. I didn’t know until yesterday.

    Comment by Matt Evans — October 27, 2005 @ 9:00 am

  114. Frank, sorry about the misspell–entirely unintentional; I rely on spell checkers is all.

    BTW, Melissa and Kristine also went to the MHA conference. Where did they stay, and what IP addresses did their comments have?

    Comment by DKL — October 27, 2005 @ 9:03 am

  115. “Miranda” grew up in northern Virginia. Who fits this description?

    http://bannerofheaven.weblogs.us/archives/94

    Comment by Anon — October 27, 2005 @ 9:32 am

  116. Amen Lisa – what a bunch of fuss over nothing. This is all just WAY too meta for me. Takes navel-gazing to a new level.

    Comment by Sue — October 27, 2005 @ 9:51 am

  117. DKL,

    Apparently I need to take the issue up with your spellchecker. If I were you I’d eliminate the other spelling from your dictionary. I mean, how often are you actually going to talk about a MacIntyre?

    As for you and Miranda, M* caught you too. And, although the Vermont one was the most fun, you’ve posted from Miranda’s proxy before too.

    Not that I don’t appreciate your satire of the self-righteous liberal feminist mormon housewife. Interestingly, it seems it was the too orthodox ABC that made people doubt that this could all be real. I guess your liberal nut was more believable online than a conservative nut.

    Comment by Frank McIntyre — October 27, 2005 @ 10:05 am

  118. As for DKL impersonating Miranda, anyone remember this post:

    “Greg, I’m sorry your arguments haven’t proven persuasive. But let’s be perfectly clear about something: Miranda publicly humiliated herself! All I did was dwell on the issue.

    As far as the time that it takes to blog: Get real! Writing original content doesn’t scare me. I could write her posts, her comments, my comments, manage my family relationships, magnify my church callings, and hold down a job.”

    Hmmmm. Tempting fate?

    Comment by Randy B. — October 27, 2005 @ 10:08 am

  119. When you go back over the posts, it all seems to make more sense – like the first comments from Jenn saying “This is going to be fun,” and the like. When I re-read everone’s BoH post tonight, it seemed like Miranda might be a guy like maybe KL, and now others are saying it too. My thoughts were:
    Mari=Rosalynde
    Miranda=DKL or Naomi Frandsen
    Septimus=Naomi Frandsen*
    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Aaron = ?
    Greg = Bryce? Nate? Ronan? Greg Call?
    * Perhaps Ronan’s clue of “Naomi Frandsen-Case Closed” gives it away. He said it twice. Septimus wrote a post called “Case Closed.”

    Comment by meems — October 27, 2005 @ 11:37 am

  120. When you go back over the posts, it all seems to make more sense – like the first comments from Jenn saying “This is going to be fun,” and the like. When I re-read everone’s BoH post tonight, it seemed like Miranda might be a guy like maybe KL, and now others are saying it too. My thoughts were:
    Mari=Rosalynde
    Miranda=DKL or Naomi Frandsen
    Septimus=Naomi Frandsen*
    Jenn = Steve Evans
    Aaron = ?
    Greg = Bryce? Nate? Ronan? Greg Call?
    * Perhaps Ronan’s clue of “Naomi Frandsen-Case Closed” gives it away. He said it twice. Septimus wrote a post called “Case Closed.”

    Comment by meems — October 27, 2005 @ 11:39 am

  121. I’m trying not to spend any more *energy* here, since I’ve been thrashed by MOM over it.

    ;)

    Comment by D. Fletcher — October 27, 2005 @ 12:03 pm

  122. Meems–

    You probably just scanned through the comments, but all the identities have already been confirmed (except Aaron’s). See Frank McIntyre’s first comment. (Rusty, you really need to get numbering for your comments if you keep having 100+ comment threads like this.)

    Comment by NFlanders — October 27, 2005 @ 12:25 pm

  123. It’s still hard to believe ban happy prudish snobs were involved in setting up something as cool as Banner. If I ever meet up w/ this bunch, I’ll have to buy them all a few rounds of LIITs (WofW doesn’t apply during the holidays, n’est-ce pas?).

    Comment by Steve EM — October 27, 2005 @ 1:44 pm

  124. Steve EM,
    Is that the Ban-Bot speaking or what are you talking about? Nobody is banning anyone.

    Nflanders,
    I’ve been trying to figure it out but Typepad isn’t so friendly to dopes like me. But I figure after this it’s back to lower numbers anyway so the urgency isn’t so much.

    Comment by Rusty — October 27, 2005 @ 1:56 pm

  125. Well, since we now know Mari is Allison, I guess I don’t mind being compared with her. I’ve met Allison once, many moons ago, and I’m pretty sure she was not wearing a Gunnie Sax dress – and I do remember that she definitely HAD combed her hair that morning (unlike the BoH Mari). Sorry, Mari, whoever you are.

    Comment by Elisabeth — October 27, 2005 @ 2:03 pm

  126. Rusty,

    The revealed players do include ban happy prudish snobs, one of whom banned me for using profanity at my own site! I’m just surprised they were involved in something like BofH.

    Comment by Steve EM — October 27, 2005 @ 2:06 pm

  127. Rusty, in your post “Why the Banner of Heaven is Fake” you give some praise to Geoff J. for being the first person to consider the possibility of a fraud at BoH way back in June. But he only raised the possibility that Aaron Cox was a fraud, and given ABC’s over-the-top style from the beginning how prescient was that? In fact, in the same post Geoff affirmed that he thought the other bloggers were real and BoH was using a fraudulent ABC character as a marketing gimmick to raise its visibility.

    Ned Flanders again brought up the ABC is fake idea in a post at BoH later that month and in reply I believe I was the first person to actually state that everything on BoH was a hoax (http://bannerofheaven.weblogs.us/archives/48#comment-1230). I gave several reasons why I thought that and John Mansfield jumped on the idea and gave several more. We discussed it in a few exchanges but it gained no traction with anyone else and soon died. Now that the truth is out I think John and I deserve one of those T shirts for being the real trainspotters!

    Comment by KentC — October 27, 2005 @ 2:17 pm

  128. Listen here you turkey, this is getting absurd.

    Kris stayed with me at MHA and we were too busy actually speaking at the conference to be making comments anywhere at all. Besides neither of us even had a computer with us.

    Comment by Melissa — October 27, 2005 @ 2:25 pm

  129. Of course, it’s just the absurdity of it that you like, isn’t it, Dave?

    Comment by Melissa — October 27, 2005 @ 2:32 pm

  130. Very interesting, Kent. Looking back on that thread, it was clear that the BoH credibility was pretty much shot on July 1st, but Steve resurrected it (for me at least) by claiming he had met Jenn and that she was simply using a fake name for the blog postings. I don’t think I would have been mad at all if they had just let it come out then.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 27, 2005 @ 2:49 pm

  131. Also, Kent, Geoff just stated on T&S that one of the BoHers revealed the truth to him fairly early on, when he insisted that Aaron was fake.

    It may be hard to determine precedence.

    Comment by NFlanders — October 27, 2005 @ 2:52 pm

  132. Ned, Geoff can’t be a trainspotter once he climbs on board. I want a T shirt!

    Comment by KentC — October 27, 2005 @ 2:59 pm

  133. I agree – Kent deserves a t-shirt.

    By the way, how about a t-shirt for predicting BoH’s demise? (http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=148#comment-895)

    Comment by Randy B. — October 27, 2005 @ 4:45 pm

  134. What I want to know is where the rest of the BoF blogger pictures came from…

    Comment by Brother Joseph — October 27, 2005 @ 4:57 pm

  135. Um, who is Chelsea Grimmius?

    Comment by John C. — October 27, 2005 @ 6:36 pm

  136. I feel so dumb.

    Comment by meems — October 27, 2005 @ 8:32 pm

  137. Lose the banner, guys. Blech.

    Comment by Bryce I — October 27, 2005 @ 8:44 pm

  138. Frank wrote,
    “self-righteous liberal feminist mormon housewife”

    Frank, I don’t know why you felt it necessary to write this. But I don’t go around randomly insulting you. It isn’t nice, it isn’t necessary, and it isn’t a very friendly nor kind way to live your life. Please rethink that sort of decision. And find some social skills.

    Comment by fMhLisa — October 27, 2005 @ 8:46 pm

  139. Wow- it’s been a busy few weeks at the law firm. Tonight was the first time I have really been able to actually read this stuff (for whatever that’s worth).

    I can guarantee that I’m not Aaron- but I’m sure that’s clear by now. I’m just relieved to know for sure that he isn’t real. Thinking that there were “Aaron’s” out there actually made me paranoid and defensive at church about my job. Guess I’m too invested in this bloggernacle thing. Pathetic I know. LoL.

    Ask Ben Spackman- I told him all my woes a month ago- and havbe virtually stopped blogging since, all thanks to Aaron B. Cox. The joke is on me- and I am laughing!

    (Mostly out of sheer relief…)

    Comment by Jordan — October 27, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

  140. Wow- it’s been a busy few weeks at the law firm. Tonight was the first time I have really been able to actually read this stuff (for whatever that’s worth).

    I can guarantee that I’m not Aaron- but I’m sure that’s clear by now. I’m just relieved to know for sure that he isn’t real. Thinking that there were “Aaron’s” out there actually made me paranoid and defensive at church about my job. Guess I’m too invested in this bloggernacle thing. Pathetic I know. LoL.

    Ask Ben Spackman- I told him all my woes a month ago- and have virtually stopped blogging since, all thanks to Aaron B. Cox. The joke is on me- and I am laughing!

    (Mostly out of sheer relief…)

    Comment by Jordan — October 27, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

  141. Well, Kent, masochist that I am, I was looking through some old threads on BoH and found the following comment by J. Stapley:
    “You know, I’ve never noticed before that there are so many around with ‘J’ in their handle. Makes me wonder if there is some sort chicanery afoot…”

    This was posted on June 8th, just nine days after the formation of BoH. I’m sorry to have to ask, but: Mr. Stapley, what did you know and when did you know it?

    Comment by NFlanders — October 28, 2005 @ 3:10 am

  142. Do we still not know who Aaron is? Sounds like it’s time for a last chance competition. I’m putting my money on Bob Caswell.

    1. We know it’s a man.
    2. We know this man knows what he’s doing when it comes to computer stuff.
    3. He probably leans left, for the convincing reason Rosalynde gives for not being Miranda.

    But that’s all I got. Anyone who doesn’t know got anything better?

    Comment by Eric Russell — October 28, 2005 @ 7:19 am

  143. I don’t know anything about BoH, but I know Bob, and you’re cracking me up, Eric.

    On the other hand, your logic isn’t bad. The only quibble I have is that Bob isn’t really all that liberal, BCC membership notwithstanding. (See this comment and the surrounding discussion.)

    Still, that’s not exactly a rock-solid refutation of your argument. I do know that Bob has claimed to be extremely busy this past week. I can barely get him to respond to an email (and we usually email constantly). His “excuse” is that B-School applications are supposedly due. A little convenient, don’t you think — something happens to come up and take all his time the same week the fit hits the shan at BoH?

    What can I say? Maybe Bob IS Aaron!

    Comment by Logan — October 28, 2005 @ 8:37 am

  144. In case anyone doesn’t know, Aaron has officially been outed:
    see here

    Comment by John C. — October 28, 2005 @ 10:34 am

  145. Lisa,

    I wasn’t talking about you. I was talking about the caricature DKL was portraying. Sorry for the confusion.

    Comment by Frank McIntyre — October 28, 2005 @ 10:43 am

  146. John C.: Chelsea is the blogger who signed on with us and then never blogged. She has a picture up under contributors that we’ve never bothered to take down.

    Jordan Fowles: I confirm Jordan’s comments above. It’s true, it’s all true! (sob)

    Comment by Ben S. — October 28, 2005 @ 10:59 am

  147. What is going on with your banner, 9-Moons?

    Comment by meems — October 28, 2005 @ 11:36 am

  148. Meems,
    What do you mean? You mean that it’s so HUGE??!!! Around these parts we change the banner about once a week.

    Comment by Rusty — October 28, 2005 @ 2:08 pm

  149. So does this mean I get a t-shirt? :)

    Comment by danithew — October 28, 2005 @ 5:31 pm

  150. By the way, the really big Nine Moons title is my favorite one so far.

    Comment by danithew — October 28, 2005 @ 5:32 pm

  151. Meems, hon, you were nowhere as dumb as I was. I’m pretty sure I was the last person to know, and that was the last day. I honestly defended them and wondered why nobody believed they weren’t real!

    I wish you all could have seen my face as I looked at the computer and realized, “It was all fake? Septimus isn’t really taking fake missionary lessons? Dale isn’t real? Nobody grabbed Jenn’s poor innocent boob?”

    Now, guys on Nine Moons, I didn’t have you on my list, it was an oversight, but I will be checking in from now on for the truth, relatively speaking from now on. Keep on with your skepticism.

    The more I think about it, the funnier I think I was. I mean, I was advising them and comforting them to the bitter end. And sticking up for DKL! I am not making that up, I have a wierd ability to see the humor in stuff. I would like to read my old posts just to laugh at my sincerity. I just crack myself up.

    And how sweet is it that when the truth came out, people are worrying how I would take it.

    I was laughing and telling my husband about these crazy people. But I gotta tell you, somebody said all those crazy things don’t happen in that short period of time.

    Wrong. They happen in mine. Oh, I could go on. My daughter just married the returned missionary son of a woman who thinks she is a reincarnated 16th century midwife. My sister with the 100 personalities, my crazy mother, my (now single) 27 year old daughter with her 52 year old boyfriend were there. Oh, I could go on. And it would all be true.

    Oh, yes, that’s why it was easy to believe. Plus I intend to get them. April 1 is still coming. Let’s think something up. Something really good. You guys are smarter than me. Give it some thought. Heh, heh, heh.

    Comment by annegb — October 30, 2005 @ 9:24 pm

  152. Annegb, you’re my hero. I think we’re cut from the same cloth. Trust me, (or maybe I shouldn’t say those words anymore on a blog), I too was believing them up til the end!! Right before this thing “broke” there’s a post from me defending Septimus, and telling him I “believe”!!! How dumb is that?? But also, I think it’s funny. It cracks me up with regards what you said about Miranda because I had to keep from posting a few times because I didn’t want to sound rude to her. I didn’t want to offend her!!! And I was so out of it, I didn’t even know what the fuss between DKL and her was about. I didn’t know why everyone was so mad at him (and still don’t!). Oh well. I always chide my mom for being so gullible/naive, and I guess this proves the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree (dang it!).

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2005 @ 6:49 am

  153. Annegb, you’re my hero. I think we’re cut from the same cloth. Trust me, (or maybe I shouldn’t say those words anymore on a blog), I too was believing them up til the end!! Right before this thing “broke” there’s a post from me defending Septimus, and telling him I “believe”!!! How dumb is that?? But also, I think it’s funny. It cracks me up with regards what you said about Miranda because I had to keep from posting a few times because I didn’t want to sound rude to her. I didn’t want to offend her!!! And I was so out of it, I didn’t even know what the fuss between DKL and her was about. I didn’t know why everyone was so mad at him (and still don’t!). Oh well. I always chide my mom for being so gullible/naive, and I guess this proves the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree (dang it!).

    Comment by meems — October 31, 2005 @ 6:50 am

  154. Sorry! Computer glitch!

    Comment by meems — October 31, 2005 @ 6:51 am

  155. Well, Meems, it’s nice not to be the only one, huh?

    The deal with DKL, as far as I know, was about him calling a woman “chick.” I’m sure there’s more than that, but I wasn’t privy to it. He got in a big fight with people on Times and Seasons and said something outrageous, I guess.

    I wanted to slap him once, but I don’t remember why LOL. He’s quite nice actually.

    I haven’t read this blog except for the occasional link from Kaimi, I’m going to have to get acquainted. I think I had some trouble getting on or something. It’s a senility problem.

    Comment by annegb — October 31, 2005 @ 9:35 am

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