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Why I Deleted The Monsters Thread

Rusty - November 29, 2005

I will first say that I’m not a fan of deleting blogs and banning bloggers. For the most part posts are forgotten and trolls go away. While I have no ethical or moral reason for this (free speech, agency, whatever) I just always figure the conversation will resolve itself or die.

Well, it didn’t this tim so I ended it.

The original post I felt was a funny joke. Not everyone felt the same. That’s fine. Some Bloggernacle regulars (and 9M regulars) respectfully disagreed and I respected their opinions for it. Then a few newcomers came (which all mysteriously had similar names and writing styles) to call us to repentance, shame us and demand that we apologize. These demands were laced with personal attacks of their own to which I warned banning if it continued. Of course Arnold Layne continued anyway so I banned him.

At the same time that I removed the post gst emailed me and asked me if he could write an apology to end the Monsters thread. If I would have gotten that email a minute earlier I probably would have done that rather than this, but what’s done is done (especially in Typepad… I hate this thing… anyone want to help me switch to WordPress?). I have since replaced the thread but have disabled comments.

Regarding DKL, we had a few emails back and forth. I explained that if he was hurt by this I would do whatever it took to repair the damage. I even said I’d delete the post. He never said anything and even told me he had no hard feelings about this whole episode. Through this whole thing I’ve tried to be as sensitive as I could with DKL because the joke was about him.

But now, I don’t care what DKL thinks. Since I took down the thread he’s complained that I didn’t take it down earlier (because it has people sticking up for him unlike the other blogs where nobody sticks up for him), insulted me and wants an apology. Um… okay, there is the BoH mini-series (between DKL and DKL-as-Miranda) that he himself created for the whole purpose of getting people to defend him and exclaim their hatred for him.

Whatever. I’m over this thread and I’m over DKL.

Note: if you are planning on continuing the Monsters conversation here don’t count on it. Your comment will not only be deleted but you will be banned. DKL is not banned… yet, but he’s so far over the edge that it won’t take much for it to happen. My comment policy is this: “If I don’t like what you say I’ll ban you.” Another thing, if you are one of those whose first ever comment was on the Monsters thread you are on the same edge that DKL is. It will take a bunch of NORMAL comments on other threads for you to move yourself away from that edge.

And if DKL wants to go and whine on other blogs about his (probable) banning, so be it. It sounds like he’s planning on retiring from the blogs. Great! Now we can all move on and talk about the Gospel or sneaking food into theaters or whatever else that is not DKL.


  1. …anyone want to help me switch to WordPress?

    So let it be written. So let it be done.

    Comment by J. Stapley — November 29, 2005 @ 10:30 pm

  2. My comment policy is this: “If I don’t like what you say I’ll ban you.”

    Niiice! That’s my comment policy too. I was wondering what was taking you so long.

    Comment by Geoff J — November 29, 2005 @ 10:41 pm

  3. Mine too as a recent post on Our Thoughts turned out.

    Comment by Kim Siever — November 30, 2005 @ 6:40 am

  4. My comment policy is this: “If I don’t like what you say I’ll ban you.” — I thought that was pretty standard ;)

    I need to do a wordpress blog myself as well, but it is on non-LDS topics.

    I’m setting it up next month.

    I think that blogging is going to go through a similar cycle to the bbs cycle, both the dial-up non-web bbs and the online, internet ones.

    Which means people will “retire” by which I mean drift away.

    Already happening all over.

    Comment by Stephen M (Ethesis) — November 30, 2005 @ 7:58 am

  5. Yea those darn people sneaking food into theaters!

    Comment by Bryce — November 30, 2005 @ 8:42 am

  6. DKL has left the building.

    Comment by annegb — November 30, 2005 @ 10:42 am

  7. I still never got an answer to the Primary and priesthood questions. Damn!

    Comment by Mark B. — November 30, 2005 @ 12:20 pm

  8. b2evolution, folks, not WordPress!

    Comment by Bryce I — November 30, 2005 @ 3:12 pm

  9. WOW, Rusty, I quit reading for a couple of days and your whole blog blows up in your face. First BoH now this….you could get a reputation!

    Comment by don — November 30, 2005 @ 3:53 pm

  10. “Whatever. I’m over this thread and I’m over DKL.”

    Dude, it’s about time. DKL is just yanking your chain. This whole episode reminds me of an exchange long ago on T&S between Kaimi and some guy obsessed with Battlestar Galletica who accused Kaimi of taking part in some grand conspiracy to block the new Battlestar Gallectica movie. I couldn’t figure out why Kaimi kept humoring him.

    Anyway, glad to see you’ve let this die.

    Comment by Randy B. — November 30, 2005 @ 4:52 pm

  11. Randy,

    I tried to drive him away on blog because he was posting from a BYU computer, and with our limited software (original movable type) we could only IP-block him. And I wasn’t going to IP block BYU. So we had no way to keep him out. Hence, my desire to make him feel unwelcome.

    We now have much better comment protection, so I definitely would not have such a shouting match today.

    And yes, any comment at T&S about Battlestar Galactica will end up in moderation before being approved.

    Comment by Kaimi — November 30, 2005 @ 5:05 pm

  12. I deleted the Notes From All Over link I created a long time ago. I tried to be extra heavy on the sarcasm in what I wrote in that note because I never for a moment thought DKL was a monster or a Hitler-type. I thought the absurdity was very evident in both the post and the Note. I can see this has gone to a whole new level of resentment, which I regret also.

    I’m glad to see a new convert to WordPress. Bryce is correct in saying that B2evolution is excellent … though I noticed one of the b2evolution guys in the ‘Nacle switched over to WordPress recently. EJS I believe.

    Comment by danithew — November 30, 2005 @ 5:08 pm

  13. Kaimi,

    Ahhh haaa. That actually makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

    Comment by Randy B. — November 30, 2005 @ 5:24 pm

  14. That whole thread was great for me. It reminded me of the wonderful ongoing fights in the letters to the editor section of the BYU-Idaho school newspaper.
    Ah memories in the corners of my mind!

    Comment by Bret — November 30, 2005 @ 7:36 pm

  15. Thanks Danithew.

    Comment by gst — November 30, 2005 @ 9:17 pm

  16. Slashcode! Slashcode! Slashcode!

    and yeah, I’d be willing to help with that.

    Comment by a random John — November 30, 2005 @ 10:45 pm

  17. Rusty,

    I think you did the right thing here. But just for the record, and to be fair, you should know that the ban DKL “mini-series” over at BoH was not created solely by DKL, nor was the purpose to get people to defend him and or express hatred of him.

    It was a collaborative effort from inception to execution and its purpose was nothing more complicated than engaging readers, and perhaps to a lesser degree holding a mirror up to the volatile issues surrounding banning commenters and deleting comments.

    Whether the soap opera that leads to a comments policy is fake, as was ours, or real as was yours, the sad fact is that such policies are a difficult, but necessary part of blogging. If we had any point to make that was it.

    Comment by Brian G — December 1, 2005 @ 12:50 am

  18. FWIW, I know of one other Bloggernacle member who quit the Bloggernacle because of the Monsters thread. I’m not saying whether the thread was good or bad; just stating an observation.

    Comment by Kim Siever — December 4, 2005 @ 7:33 pm

  19. I know of at least one person who has quit the bloggernacle because of the androgynous nature of Kim’s first name. I’m not saying that’s good or bad.

    Comment by NFlanders — December 5, 2005 @ 2:57 am

  20. Kim,
    You’ll have to provide more details. The person quit the bloggernacle because the original post? Or because of the ensuing comments defending it? Or that it wasn’t deleted earlier? What about the post caused this person to quit? And was this a part of the reason or what everything going swimmingly in the bloggernacle and all the sudden s/he reads this post and decides to give it all up?

    I’m sincerely curious. And if you could send me the person’s email (in a private email) I would appreciate it. I don’t want a post from my blog to be the reason someone quits reading so I’d like to try to rectify the situation.

    Comment by Rusty — December 5, 2005 @ 8:54 am

  21. has anyone here seen This Divided State?

    Comment by Anonymous — December 5, 2005 @ 1:19 pm

  22. I should qualify my comment by pointing out that it wasn’t just the post that sent this person packing. Rather, to this person, the post reflected an increasing environment in the Bloggernacle as a whole. This post was the proverbial straw.

    Ned, you’re being way too modest in your estimate.

    Comment by Kim Siever — December 5, 2005 @ 1:25 pm

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