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Nine Moons » Blog Archive : God Stole Satan’s Plan! » God Stole Satan’s Plan!

God Stole Satan’s Plan!

Don - January 18, 2006

I like going thru the checkout stand at the grocery store and reading all the outrageous headlines on the weekly magazines.  This headline was written that way but with an inkling of truth.

Satan’s plan as I understand it was to allow us to come to earth, but take away our agency so we could not sin.  We would then be "worthy" to return back to God.  (I won’t go into Satan wanting to be God and other aspects of his plan here on this post)

It appears to me that God did pretty much the same thing with all the infant children who die and those who die before the age of accountability.  They come to this earth, they don’t (can’t) sin and then get to return back to God.  What good is agency to them?  They’re guaranteed the Celestial Kingdom, the same guarantee Satan proposed. 

I’ve always been told that these spirits "proved" themselves in the premortal life and therefore didn’t need to on this earth.  So I "proved" myself too!  If I proved to be Celestial then why am I here and they are not?  If they and God are ok with being proved in the premortal life and then having an infant death with guaranteed Celestial Kingdom, then what about the rest of us?  If I proved to be Terrestial and God knew it and I know God is God and just, then why not just assign me to a kingdom after a nice little earth life?

If God knows me and where I’ll end up then why all the earth problems?  Why does it take years of suffering, refining, etc. to become qualified for the Celestial Kingdom.  Am I just proving it to myself, because I don’t believe God?  If God doesn’t know us well enough to determine where we’ll end up, then how can He allow so many a "free ride" to the Celestial Kingdom with no earthlife experiences, suffering, refining etc?

What’s going on here?

15 Comments »

  1. I find it much more disturbing that BYU steals Satan’s Plan…

    Comment by a random John — January 18, 2006 @ 2:25 pm

  2. ( Amen, ARJ. )

    Comment by Silus Grok — January 18, 2006 @ 2:28 pm

  3. I think there are some problems with the theory that all children who die before 8 automatically qualify for the Celestial Kingdom.

    For example, what if someone had killed me when I was five? I would be better off than I am now? That doesn’t make sense.

    Comment by NFlanders — January 18, 2006 @ 2:36 pm

  4. Don, this point came up today in the discussion of Ronan’s post on Adam and Eve. (See comments 2 and 4 in particular.) So, the occurrence of two discussions of this post within a couple hours of each other is one of those cosmic bloggernacle coincidences, no?

    Comment by RoastedTomatoes — January 18, 2006 @ 2:42 pm

  5. I think the following parable of the Saviour is appropriate here:

    For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

    And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.

    Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

    They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto
    them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his
    steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

    And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.But when the first came, they supposed that they should have
    received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman
    of the house,Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

    But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

    Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

    So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

    Comment by Michael — January 18, 2006 @ 2:43 pm

  6. Children who die before becoming accountable are saved, but not necessarily exalted. The opportunity for eventual exaltation nevertheless remains.

    Under Satan’s plan, as I understand it, everybody would be saved but nobody would be exalted (except, perhaps, Satan).

    That formulation of the issue still leaves some troubling questions, but it does not lead to the conclusion that God stole Satan’s plan.

    Comment by Last Lemming — January 18, 2006 @ 2:55 pm

  7. I couple things:

    1) I think our loyalty in the pre-existence isn’t forgotten, whether we die young and sinless or not. No free ride there.

    2) We don’t qualify in any way for eternal life and are completely undeserving of it by our actions here. It cannot be earned and is a free gift from JC to all who will have faith and repent. So both the young sinless and the forgiven sinner are getting a free ride back to God. Our good works are a manifestation of our faith and love; they don’t save us, Jesus does.

    Comment by Steve EM — January 18, 2006 @ 3:17 pm

  8. Do you think Satan could sue in this instance? Is his plan patentable? I think it is well documented that he came up with it first.

    Comment by a random John — January 18, 2006 @ 5:55 pm

  9. ARJ– One thing is for certain, Satan is surely not lacking for good legal advice, considering how many lawyer’s souls he owns.

    Comment by NFlanders — January 18, 2006 @ 6:04 pm

  10. NF, lol = lawyers! But I think the scriptures are pretty clear that babies who die do inherit the Celestial Kingdom. The debate may be with whether that really means exaltation or not. But they certainly do have a better program than I do!

    RT, I’ve had this post a note on my computer for two weeks or so and finally decided to post today (said to the tune of Twilight Zone music).

    LL., I don’t know that I agree, Satan agreed with God’s plan (exaltation for all) he wanted to be the savior, he just wanted to make sure all of us made it but taking away our agency and he wanted God’s power and glory now! I really don’t think God stole Satan’s plan, but I wanted the headline to attract some attention!

    It still leaves some questions for me.

    Comment by Don — January 18, 2006 @ 7:51 pm

  11. I am not sure that Satan’s was to force us to obey the commandments. I think his plan was to take away accountability. Nothing would be a sin in this case – no commandments. Free agency should really be called moral agency and this includes freedom plus accountability. Satan continues to work his plan today, telling people that there is no sin. I made a post on this topic here.

    http://smallsimple.blogspot.com/2005/12/just-what-was-satans-plan-anyway.html

    Comment by Eric — January 18, 2006 @ 10:34 pm

  12. Couple points:

    First, one should also look at what Satan’s plan is now, to cause “that all men might be miserable like himself.”

    Second, God told Joseph Smith in response to his prayer in Liberty Jail, “that all these things shall give the EXPERIENCE, and shall be for thy GOOD.” Surely he was not talking about this life.

    The same also applies to the 85-year old man who gets baptized and then dies a short time later. We automatically think how lucky he his–but I don’t think this is so.

    We come to this earth to progress, to learn, to have experiences. And we take these things, our intelligence, our character, our progression to the next life. I think those that died before the age of accountability will be playing some serious catch-up in the life to come. That is unless, of course, they’re sent back down to earth for another probation. Sorry, I channeled Geoff J. on that last one.

    Comment by Tim J. — January 18, 2006 @ 10:51 pm

  13. Flip those lase two paragraphs. That was weird.

    Comment by Tim J. — January 18, 2006 @ 11:00 pm

  14. Let me follow up on Tim J’s comment to help clarify my own. Tim claims that those who die before becoming accountable and even those who die shortly after being baptized have serious catching up to do in the next life. I’m inclined to agree, but would be more explicit in stating that they have to play catch up in achieving exaltation. But they are saved (i.e. they will not have to suffer for any sins) whether they play catch up or not.

    I would speculate that such folks are able to play catch up because at least some of the rest of us have had the necessary experience and can guide them along the way. Remember, that we are taught that although we are saved as individuals, we are exalted as families. That provides a vital clue as to how the catching up can be accomplished.

    Under Satan’s plan, nobody would have any experience with the exercise of agency. We would not have to suffer for any sins–hence we would be saved and could dwell in God’s presence. But I believe that exaltation can only be achieved through the exercise of agency. God certainly has it and exercises it correctly. How can we become like him without learning to do the same? But Satan’s plan would make that utterly impossible. Everybody would have to play catch up, but there would be no mechanism for actually doing so.

    Comment by Last Lemming — January 19, 2006 @ 10:12 am

  15. Well put Double-L. I fully agree with your comments.

    Comment by Tim J. — January 19, 2006 @ 3:07 pm

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