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Earthlife is a Crock of Crap! Kind of.

Don - May 12, 2006

Geoff at "New Cool Thang" has done it again.  He’s pulled my chain and it’s time for me to express myself again. 

Rather than agreeing or defending or discussing any or all of his 3 theories I want to talk about this earth life.  This view works!

Life isn’t fair!!  At least fair from our viewpoint.  Some live a few minutes, some a few years and others for 70-100 years.  Some in poverty, some in wealth, some in sickness and misery, others in health and confort. 

What do we learn from this earthlife experience that is so important?  I contend that millions and millions have learned absolutely nothing.  Their earthlife was too short.

The one thing that makes earthlife fair, that makes it a real learning – growing experience is the Millenium.  The Millenium gives us 1,000 years to live under Christ’s supervision – His government, and without the influences of Satan. 

When I look at how much I have grown and progressed so far in becoming more Christlike, I think wow!  I’ve got a long long way to go, but I am better than I was last year and that’s what progression is all about.  So how much could I grow, how could I change if I was living under the conditions of the Millenium, and living for 1,000 years instead of 70 – 100?

It doesn’t matter which of Geoff’s 3 theories is "right".  Give me 1,000 years with Christ and all the returning prophets, with no Satan, and I’ll be ready to be exalted….I won’t need progression between kingdoms, I won’t need another mortal probation….all I’ll need is Christ’s Atonement and the Millenium.


  1. hooray!

    Comment by Eric — May 12, 2006 @ 5:07 pm

  2. Give me 1,000 years with Christ and all the returning prophets, with no Satan, and I’ll be ready to be exalted…

    Thanks for that quote Don. This is precisely the procrastination-inducing type of argument I was referring to in my last post. This is why I think model 2 is not only false, but also dangerous. It leads us to believe that as long as we manage to make the first resurrection it will be a snap to become exalted in the next life. Of course all it takes to make the first resurrection is to live a Terrestrial quality life. So in you model, all one needs to do in this life is avoid enough egregious sin to make the “afternoon of the first resurrection” and then be on spiritual easy street in the Millennium. Not exactly motivation to fully live the law of consecration now is it?

    (So while my last post explained why this model you assume (Model 2) is dangerous, my next post will explain why such a model impossible to begin with… stay tuned!)

    Comment by Geoff J — May 12, 2006 @ 5:32 pm

  3. Geoff, I guess making it to a Terrestial level and then being on the spiritual easy street to the Celestial Kingdom is a lot like being in the pre-mortal existence and making the easy choice to keep our agency. Follow Christ in the pre-mortal life and we’re on spiritual easy street to exaltation…at least in comparison to those who chose Satan.

    We qualified in the pre-mortal existence for this life. Now we need to qualify for the Millenium. In the Millenium we will need to qualify for exaltation. I don’t necessarily think that qualification will be “easy”, but with Christ there and no Satan and 1,000 years I think we can do it.

    Comment by don — May 12, 2006 @ 5:53 pm

  4. Don,
    I know you raised me and all, but I just don’t imagine Eternal Life as a bunch of hoops I need to jump through and then I’m “in”. I guess I don’t think of it as a place God picks us up and drops us in. It’s who we become. I guess this should be its own post (maybe it will) but because I believe it’s about who we become I don’t really think/care much about the details of the kingdoms and exactly who is where and whether or not we can progress between them and whatever. It’s not a destination, it’s me turning into a certain kind of being. I do my best to make as many of those changes here, wherever I go next I keep on working at it. I don’t need “mansions” or whatever to motivate me to become a better person, I only need to see how loathsome I currently am and how good and happy I can become.

    Maybe that’s why I don’t ever get really interested in these pre- and post-mortal conversations. We know so VERY little (and much of what we think we know is contradicted depending on which leader/GA/prophet you read) and it really doesn’t matter anyway as long as I’m doing everything I can to become like Christ.

    But anyway, sorry to interrupt…

    Comment by Rusty — May 13, 2006 @ 1:18 am

  5. I’m with Rusty. I think Mormonism is true. I do.

    But I just don’t think we’re going to die and be all organized into wards and have the elitism that exists here and hopefully, not the grief of families. Sorry, guys, family life is not for me.

    I think it’s going to be nicer than that. Nothing like this stupid life which I wish I’d never agreed to in the first place.

    Comment by annegb — May 13, 2006 @ 10:10 am

  6. Rusty, I don’t know that I was trying to protray that it is about jumping thru hoops. You’re right it is about us becoming Christlike.

    I’m just saying that by making certain choices we become more Christlike, we are given more opportunities to progress, and that progression will take a big jump during the Millenium. I look at it as the final preparation under His direction and His direct influence without Satan to become one with Him.

    Comment by don — May 13, 2006 @ 1:33 pm

  7. Hey Don,

    See my latest post on why this view you and many others have of post-mortality won’t work. :-)

    Comment by Geoff J — May 14, 2006 @ 2:41 pm

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