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Would the “Brethren” Do That?

Don - October 2, 2006

I just talked with a friend of mine from Utah. Her brother manages a large motel in North Salt Lake. He told her that 7 motel managers from Provo told “the brethren” that during Women’s Week they were missing lots and lots of towels. So many that these managers were going to raise the rates during Women’s Week to make up for it.

Hence Brother Edgley (sp) spoke on Sunday about his own towel experience and honesty.

Is this just more “bull-crap” for a good story, or do these things really happen?


  1. Isn’t it brethren? ;-)

    Comment by Kim Siever — October 2, 2006 @ 1:03 pm

  2. What’s “Women’s Week”?

    Comment by Mark B. — October 2, 2006 @ 1:15 pm

  3. Yeah, why do you always put quotes around the brethren? Are you saying that they are so-called brethren or brethren wanna-be?

    Women\’s Week is a week at the end of the summer when a bunch of women invade BYU\’s campus and go to a bunch of talks, seminars and classes learning about all sorts of gospel and women stuff.

    Comment by Rusty — October 2, 2006 @ 1:42 pm

  4. I guess I use quotes to make sure I know I’m speaking of THE brethren.

    Rusty, you spell as bad as I do!

    Comment by Don Clifton — October 2, 2006 @ 1:56 pm

  5. Would the Brethren (sans quotes) do what? Comment in general conference directly about something that had recently happened? Sure, why not?

    Comment by Connor — October 2, 2006 @ 2:15 pm

  6. Hehe. I didn’t say anything because thought the quotation marks were there to intentionally reflect Utah-speak. Don’t a lot of Utahns pronounce the word brethren as “brethern”?

    And yes, I think it is likely that conference speakers take that kind of feedback and use it in talks.

    Comment by Geoff J — October 2, 2006 @ 2:38 pm

  7. Wouldn’t we prefer that it be that way? I know I would. Rather than talking about some abstract gospel topic, I’d rather they deal directly with the issues common to their people. Think of the Pauline epistles – he was responding to the affairs of the kingdom instead of simply preaching the principles of the gospel. He was applying them to his people, as are our leaders.

    President Hinckley is the best at this. Rather than us having to assume his intentions, he flat out announces that he received a letter regarding such and such a topic, and then he addresses it. I love that.

    Comment by Connor — October 2, 2006 @ 2:43 pm

  8. I think the story would ring more true if the manager was said to have told some single church leader, rather than to the “Bretheren,” plural. I very much doubt the managers were giving a presentation to some secret council of GAs. Or maybe they sent it out to some secret email list…thebretheren@lists.lds.org, perhaps.

    Comment by ed johnson — October 2, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

  9. Rusty, you spell as bad as I do!

    Yes, but I have Editing Power.

    Comment by Rusty — October 2, 2006 @ 2:48 pm

  10. Rusty, LOL. Since you do, now everyone else won’t know.

    Comment by don — October 2, 2006 @ 10:07 pm

  11. There are motels in North Salt Lake???? Large ones? Maybe in Woods Cross and Bountiful…

    Comment by a random John — October 2, 2006 @ 10:46 pm

  12. I like it when the birthmen use actual stories they reference and all. What I do NOT like are when they use made-up/apochryphal stories and act like they are true, much like a certian stake president I had at school do at stake conference.

    Comment by Bret — October 2, 2006 @ 11:00 pm

  13. Here is something I have wondered.

    Every year or so, the First Presidency sends out a letter that gets read in sacrament meeting encouraging members to NOT write or contact general authorities with their concerns and problems, but to counsel with their bishops and SPs instead. But just about every time we have general conference, president Hinckley reads a letter from a distraught member, usually quoting from it at length.

    Here’s my question: By reading those letters, to what extent is GBH actually encouraging people to NOT follow his own direction? He can certainly do whatever he wants, but it has always struck me as funny that people who have not followed the prophet’s explicit counsel get quoted in GC.

    Comment by Mark IV — October 3, 2006 @ 5:57 am

  14. Much of what people think is southern Woods Cross or Bountiful (past 2600 S.) is actually in the City of North Salt Lake. I worked across the street from a large motel west of the old Trolley North movie theater (and Wendy’s restaurant) for several years.

    Comment by Mark Butler — October 3, 2006 @ 1:28 pm

  15. The Urim, The Thummim, and the Brethern.

    Comment by mw* — October 3, 2006 @ 2:01 pm

  16. Mark, that is an odd coincidence, isn’t it? Bret, I’m not sure I agree with you; what does it matter if the story is true or not if true principles are being taught? There was a great post on the story of Jonah awhile back and there was some debate as to whether or not the story was historically true. Personally, I doubt it; but the point is made all the same. Besides, made-up stories are usually the most entertaining.

    Comment by Chad — October 4, 2006 @ 7:02 pm

  17. Chad,
    I think it depends on the context and the story and such. (and yes, the funniest ones usually arn’t true but fun to hear and think are true anyway)
    The story I was specifically referring to was apocryphal and creepy, really. Basically he talked of a patriarchal blessing given to an old lady who recently joined the church. It supposedly said she would have joined the church years earlier if a certian young man had gone on a mission like he was supposed to.

    This story is false and wrong to put into a stake conference talk for many reasons. For one, that’s not what patriarchal blessings are for and would never have such damning material. Also, I had only a week prior to stake conference collected this exact same story from an aquaintence as part of a research paper on mormon folklore.

    So, what is the point of telling us this story? To scare us into going on missions and being good missionaries? To generally emphasize to us that our personal righteousness can have great impact upon other’s salvation? Anyway it’s put only gives the listener a creepy feeling, if you ask me.

    Plus, one other problem is it’s easy to lose the spirit of a messege when you realize the story isn’t true. (maybe that’s just cynical people like me though)

    Otherwise, the context you talked about seems great to me:)

    Comment by Bret — October 5, 2006 @ 1:37 am

  18. Bret – ah yes, I had forgotten about that story. You are absolutely correct. I’m definetly with you on that one. Using scare tactics/guilt to “help others make the right choice” isn’t really helping is it?

    You know, for all our talk about free agency, and people choosing to come unto Christ, we seem to have a dim view of what it really means.

    Comment by Chad — October 6, 2006 @ 8:03 pm

  19. Chad,


    Comment by Bret — October 6, 2006 @ 8:50 pm

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