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Nine Moons » Blog Archive : Who gets the blame or credit? » Who gets the blame or credit?

Who gets the blame or credit?

Don - November 1, 2004

Rather than continuing the comments on the previous blog I think Amy touched on something I have said many times.

“God gets more blame and more credit than He deserves.”

1 Comment »

  1. My knee-jerk reaction was to suggest that one could say the same thing about Satan. But I’m thinking about it.
    danithew | Email | Homepage | 11.01.04 – 4:14 pm | #

    I’d agree with that, dan.

    My personal philosophy is to give all the credit to the Lord for the good in my life and all the bad to myself. (discounting those things I can identify as “^%$& happens” or other things I have no control over.)
    I once asked Pres. (Or I guess all of you will call him “Elder”) Bednar the question “How does a person be confident, yet humble?” and he basically quoted and commented on the scripture in D&C 59:21–”And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is His wrath kindled, save those who confess not His hand in all things.” (Don’t worry, this is BEFORE his apostleship and only his opinion anyway) This is where I basically came up with that philosophy.
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.01.04 – 8:02 pm | #

    I could read that scripture and since I’m to confess His hand in all things…then He’s to blame for all my trials, troubles, misfortunes etc., great now I really do have someone to blame!

    Tongue out of my cheek now: In the macro side of things we should acknowledge God’s hand in everything, he allowed us our agency, and the opportunity of coming here to prove ourselves, so by agreeing to His plan, I get the blessing of living His plan…with the good and the bad.

    And Bret, Elder B’s “opinion” is probably pretty sound counsel.
    Don | Email | Homepage | 11.01.04 – 9:45 pm | #

    Yeah I know. That’s why I took it. I just don’t want anyone to think I fell into the cliche of thinking because an Apostle said it, it is doctrine.
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.02.04 – 2:49 am | #

    My personal philosophy is to give all the credit to the Lord for the good in my life and all the bad to myself. (discounting those things I can identify as “^%$& happens” or other things I have no control over.)

    Bret, I read a critique of this approach in Alan Dershowitz’s book “The Genesis of Justice” that basically said it’s either unfair or dishonest to give all the credit for good to God and the blame for bad to yourself. I can’t remember what he said about this but I’ll try and dig up an exact quote when I’m at home sometime today (assuming I’m not completely absorbed in election news).
    danithew | Email | Homepage | 11.02.04 – 1:55 pm | #

    Dan, I think I agree with you (that quote). It sounds like the self-depricating person trying to be humble. I don’t think that’s sound doctrine, and I’m not sure it is that black and white. That philosophy tends to suggest that our free-will only affects us negatively. I make choices that result in blessings. Sure, the blessings are from God, but I still had to make a choice, which should be commended.
    Rusty | Email | Homepage | 11.02.04 – 2:38 pm | #

    Yeah, sorry about the generalized-sounding approach.
    Of course I recognize my own choices in my blessings and that God is not the ONLY source of good. However, I do think it is a good idea to thank the Lord for every blessing we recieve, whether by His hand or our own.
    As for negative effects in life, I really meant that I just want to be careful not to blame my problems on other people (or the devil). That is an epidemic in our day and age that needs to be reversed.
    Still, I’d love to hear the quote you were talking about, Dan. Any insight is helpful, of course. (That’s why we do these blog things, right?)
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.02.04 – 4:35 pm | #

    Bret … no need to apologize. I have taken the same approach in my thinking and was kind of surprised to see that critique as it had never occurred to me before (hmmm … you mean that I have to hold God to account for both good and bad or for neither?). It’s kind of a funny thing actually. When I get home I’ll do my best, though again I must express that I may become demonically possessed by CNN and other networks as a result of the elections.
    danithew | Email | Homepage | 11.02.04 – 5:10 pm | #

    No problem. I’ve been doing the same thing ALL day and is why I’m looking at this at 1am! Good night!
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.03.04 – 3:05 am | #

    Hah. I was up to 1:00am and my prediction was correct. That is, I completely forgot about looking up that quote. Maybe I’ll remember tonight … (awful short-term memory sometimes)
    danithew | Email | Homepage | 11.03.04 – 6:27 pm | #

    Well, I found the book. And I’ve looked through it for about an hour and I can’t find the quote. I’m pretty sure it’s in here someplace …

    The Book is titled “The Genesis of Justice: Ten Stories of Biblical Injustice that Led to the Ten Commandments and Modern Law” by Alan M. Dershowitz. It’s a good read, if you’re willing to ignore (bypass) his concept of a learning God that makes mistakes.
    danithew | Email | Homepage | 11.04.04 – 11:15 am | #

    Well, if anything that makes me want to look for this material when I read Genesis and Exodus again. What the children of Israel did has always been a place to learn what to give God credit for but I don’t know if I’ve read those books with that in mind.

    Interesting the author even puts forth the idea of a learning God. I thought to most everyone that was a blasphemous concept.
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.04.04 – 7:32 pm | #

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