9 disciples go to heaven, or where?

Don - November 15, 2004

As long as I’m going on about the BOM and GD class, here’s something else that got me thinking this week.

In 3Nephi we find that the Savior promises 9 disciples their wish. The wish was that “that we may speedily come unto thee in thy kingdom”. Jesus tells them they are blessed are desiring this and then tells them that after they are 72 years old “ye shall come unto me in my kingdom and with me ye shall find rest.”

Where is this “kingdom”? The Celestial Kingdom won’t exist until after the Millenium, final judgement etc. Is Christ in “His Kingdom” now?, I don’t think so and even if He is, can they go to Him and be with Him as promised? I thought we all go to Paradise or Spirit Prison, not directly to any Kingdom.

Later Mormon tells us that 100 years passed and the disciples of Jesus “had all gone to the paradise of God”. I don’t think the paradise of God is Jesus’ kingdom. Is Jesus in paradise? He visited there to start the work for the dead, but I don’t know of any scriptures that say He’s there, or visits there or goes there to meet the incoming disciples.

So what’s the deal with this whole kingdom thing?

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  1. “The Celestial Kingdom won’t exist until after the Millennium…” After the Millennium, the earth will be celesitalized, that is it will be exalted. However, other worlds have been exalted already. Father lives on an exalted, celestial world. Perhaps, they are on another celestial globe.

    Perhaps the kingdom is less a physical location than the state of being exalted. Although it would be a pretty poor kingdom that didn’t have any real estate associated with it.

    I think that the disciples were resurrected and exalted rather then merely passing into paradise. But we are told that paradise is where the saints will rest after death. Rest being described as a cessation of temptation. That would be rest enough for me.
    Wayne Wells | Email | Homepage | 11.15.04 – 5:01 pm | #

    It makes enough sense to me to simply read Jesus’ promise of coming “unto me in my kingdom” as still being yet to happen. When Mormon said the apostles went to the paradise of God, couldn’t that mean they just went to the paradise portion of the Spirit World to wait things out like everyone else, and then after the resurrection they will come unto Jesus in His kingdom?

    Is this interpretation too simple?
    Amy | Email | Homepage | 11.15.04 – 10:30 pm | #

    This reminds me of a similar question I’ve had for a while…

    Alma 40:11 says, “the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body… whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life.”

    I thought “no unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God” — then how can “evil” souls be taken home to God? (Is “dwell” the key word here, meaning the evil souls will see God but only to be judged, and not to dwell with him? I’d never thought of it that way until just now.) Any ideas?
    Amy | Email | Homepage | 11.15.04 – 10:37 pm | #

    First of all is you forgot to mention the cases of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who we are told are Gods right now. So where are they at and what are they doing?
    Second, I think of the example of using the word “hell.” The word itself can be a state of mind, spirit prison, outer darkness, or anything not the top part of the celestial kingdom. So when Mormon writes that they went to live with Christ in His kingdom, that could mean any number of things.
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.16.04 – 6:24 pm | #

    The Kingdom of God has organized stakes in the Spirit World, just as it does on Earth. That of course presents the question of why the Lord went out of his way to mention that the 9 would be there. My guess is that they had significant callings waiting for them there.
    Ian | Email | Homepage | 11.16.04 – 7:48 pm | #

    First, my approach is to keep in mind that the Book of Mormon predates any of the D&C pronouncements. So when Mormon says the Nine have gone to “the paradise of God,” I think the allusion is to Jesus’ remark in Luke 23:43 to one of the malefactors that “today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” That’s how I read the text of 4 Nephi 1:14: Same word, same reference as Luke 23:43.

    But an interesting follow-up question is where the Three Who Tarried went a hundred years later when they were “taken away” (see Mormon 1:13).
    Dave | Email | Homepage | 11.18.04 – 5:43 pm | #

    Dave,
    I thought everyone knew where they went. They went to the Artic to find their way under the earth to preach to the lost tribes of Israel!
    I think it says that in D&C 154 or something like that>8p
    Bret | Email | Homepage | 11.19.04 – 12:47 am | #

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