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Nine Moons » Blog Archive : Four Plans…and a fifth, I guess » Four Plans…and a fifth, I guess

Four Plans…and a fifth, I guess

Rusty - August 15, 2004

This week as I prepared my lesson for Gospel Doctrine class, I realized there is a short list of possible Plans of Salvation, as proposed (or implied) by those in the scriptures. They are as follows:

1) No agency. All are saved. This was Lucifer’s original proposal.

2) Agency. All are saved. See Nehor (Alma 1:4) and Corianton (Alma 42:1)

3) Agency. Suffer a little bit. All are saved. See 2 Ne 28:8.

4) Agency. Only those who repent are saved. See Jesus Christ, Alma 41-42, rest of scriptures.

This fifth one isn’t in the scriptures, however…
5) Agency. Nobody is saved because there is nothing after this life. See New York City, 2004.

We know from Alma 42 that under the conditions of option #4 the demands of justice are satisfied. Fine.

Under the laws laid out by Alma, the demands of justice wouldn’t be satisfied in the examples of #2 and #3.

Option #5 is a different beast which I won’t address at this point, although I’m up for hearing any opinions as to how justice would relate to it.

Lucifer’s original proposal, however, is intriguing to me. From what I understand, the demands of justice would be satisfied in that case. Because there is no sin, there is no need for an Atonement to satisfy the demands of justice. Does this mean that Satan was well aware of eternal laws (that even God is bound to) and proposed his plan accordingly? It seems that once Satan realized his original proposal wasn’t going to happen, he’s been trying to implement numbers 2, 3, & 5 ever since.

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  1. jus·tice (jŭs’tĭs)
    n.
    The quality of being just; fairness.

    The principle of moral rightness; equity.
    Conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.

    The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
    Law. The administration and procedure of law.
    Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
    (Abbr. J.) Law.
    A judge.
    A justice of the peace.
    I disagree that Satan’s plan satisfy’s the demands of justice. Be careful…intrigue of evil can open doors.
    Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 08.25.04 – 4:29 pm | #

    jus·tice (jŭs’tĭs)
    n.
    The quality of being just; fairness.

    The principle of moral rightness; equity.
    *Conformity to moral rightness in
    action or attitude; righteousness.

    *The upholding of what is just,
    especially fair treatment and due
    reward in accordance with honor,
    standards, or law.
    Law. The administration and procedure of law.
    Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
    (Abbr. J.) Law.
    A judge.
    A justice of the peace.

    I disagree that Satan’s proposal meets the demands of justice (*). Be careful of intrigue with known evil.

    Also, absolutely Satan has awareness of eternal laws. He was one of some power prior to the fall and was still being allowed access to the councils of heaven for some time afterward. (see Job)
    R | Email | Homepage | 08.25.04 – 4:36 pm | #

    I guess I see the definition of justice and the law of justice as not exactly the same. I always considered the law of justice to mean that if you do the crime, you’ll do the time. The sin has to be paid for, either we pay for it through our own pain and suffering (in this life or the next) or we repent and rely on the mercy of Christ so that He suffers for it on our behalf.

    Satan’s plan as brought out by Nephi, eat drink and be merry…god will beat us with a few stripes…then everything is ok shows that he understands that the demands of justice must be met.

    Satan’s plan to save everyone by forcing us all to be perfect also shows he understands, for justice would be satisfied, since there would be no sin, then no suffering is needed to pay for the sin.

    Just my thoughts.
    don | Email | Homepage | 08.25.04 – 8:04 pm | #

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